Health secretary ‘looking at’ excluding some trans women from female NHS wards

[stumbledin]

Just saw this article in Pink News.

Only skim read.

But is it possible the message is getting through.

A small victory that a Tory Cabinet member would even say this out loud.

Maybe he could have a word with Penny Mordaunt!

www.pinknews.co.uk/2019/03/05/health-secretary-matt-hancock-excluding-trans-women-nhs-wards/

The thing is, if we get another "Karen White", the public will go mental.

A reminder that if Labour in its current form got into government we'd be back to self Id TW on women's wards. Saddens me to point that out as this government is a shit show but they are the least worst option for women right now

4 elderly women victims - noteworthy that their distress was of no interest to all those defending what happened.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/03/04/nhs-review-transgender-policies/

The NHS should be doing more than looking at this... There is NO reason why women in any kind of hospital ward should have to deal with men while sick and vulnerable. No amount of surgical intervention will ever make a male a female....and medical interventions have to take into account the persons sex... Hence gynae wards. We were told single sex wards would be retained. So they have lied. And why should Transwomen have the right to a private room above female women.?
Pink news should be renamed trans news. It really stinks.

From that article One trust advised staff to consult with the transgender patient if a female victim of sexual assault objects to sharing facilities with someone who may be biologically and legally male.. So are they going to then identify one of the other patients on the ward as a likely vulnerable victim of a sexual assault to the transgender patient??

And why should Transwomen have the right to a private room above female women.?

Would other patients with mental health issues be given private rooms?

Would women find it acceptable to having a passing transman on the ward with them?

I don’t love the idea of private rooms, but sometimes it’s necessary to be pragmatic for the sake of other patients.

As the NHS have been a key organisation in enabling trans people to believe that their rights trump the rights of every other group in society, part of me thinks that the NHS should accept the cost. Maybe take it out of the Tavistock's budget given recent revelations about their unethical conduct.

I couldn't sleep last night for imagining me in hospital with a man in the next bed to me, having read on FB about someone's mother who was in just that position in hospital, with the man being very careless about flashing his genitals getting in and out of bed etc. He was apparently a nasty individual to boot. All we can do is create an almighty fuss in such a situation but I hate the idea of my boundaries being so breached and the whole bloody thing. It's just wrong, wrong, wrong.

The word 'Urology' comes to my mind.

All we can do is create an almighty fuss in such a situation

But when you're ill in hospital you don't feel up to making an almighty fuss and might be scared that it would adversely affect your own treatment. I wanted to complain about something unacceptable (not this issue) when my mum was an inpatient but she asked me to wait until she was discharged in case she was labelled a troublemaker and it might affect her access to treatment.

The interesting thing with this

Is that when the whole "single sex wards" stuff was all over the news, what, 20 years ago or something

It was never single sex
It was always single gender

Someone on here posted official docs from the time

It was single gender and not sex, the NHS said what? are you sure and the officials said yes it's single gender but it must be referred to as single sex so as not to "confuse" the public

That was a real eye opener as it was literally YEARS ago, way before all this recent stuff.

TRAs have been working hard behind the scenes for years.
Stephen Whittle has confirmed this - the behind the scenes for years thing.

That's why quietly hosps went to mixed sex wards while saying they weren't, loads of councils changed their protected characteristic from sex to gender (although that's not what the law says) etc and so on

Last time I went to visit FIL in hospital a man kept flashing at the female visitors and nursing staff. They could do little to stop him. Imagine if that was in the bed next to you in a dark room when everyone was asleep.

I seem to be blocked from TransNHS twitter. Is the NHS supposed to block people, really? Isn't it a public body?

Might not be an offical twitter account?

I’m just waiting for males to be admitted to the maternity wing for imaginary pregnancies. God that was a joke in a Carry On film from the 70s!

So you get an infection in your vaginoplasty and they put you on the gynae ward?

LordProf

On a related note
Loads of trusts apparently let men onto post natal wards 24/7

I think it's outrageous

As dads, visitors and staff I assume?

Yes many now allow the fathers to be on the wards overnight.

They have done this to alleviate a lack of staffing, I think.

The valid objection from large numbers of women has been ignored.

Bounty sales people are still allowed in as well.

I can't think of another hospital situation in the UK where this sort of thing is policy.

Bounty sales people are still allowed in as well....

What about Snickers and Topic?

They are also allowed but less of a worry as they don't hard sell stuff at you while you're off your nut on codeine!

Would women find it acceptable to having a passing transman on the ward with them?

Well, yes - although it would presumably invade that transman's privacy for the staff to explain, so I would have though they'd be better off in a side room.

But when it comes down to it, a transman is female, and so if having gynae issues, belongs on the gynae ward.

when I gave birth to my first child I shared a room with five other women. One of them had her husband with her the entire time. I had drawn the curtain around my bed to breastfeed in peace (and with everything hanging out). The husband abrubtly opened the curtains to ask if I wanted to watch television. I could have heard his question through the curtain. I am absolutely sure he did it because he suspected I wasn't decent and wanted to see my boobs.