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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Intersex skiing champion - Erik (formerly Erika) Schinegger - says transwomen should not compete as women

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QuietContraryMary · 05/03/2019 22:45

This is a similar case to that of Mary/Mark Weston (tinyurl.com/y3zc6b3s), who became aware he was actually a fully biological male, and fathered children after a female athletics career.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6772989/Intersex-skiing-champion-say-transgender-women-NOT-compete-female-events.html

He talks about transgender athletes, but his case is actually more similar to Caster Semenya et al. Erik seems to have and had a clear male gender identity, and has fathered children after an operation on his genitals as an adult.

In 1988 he gave his (female) gold world skiing medal from 1966 to the second place competitor.

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Amoregentlemanlikemanner · 05/03/2019 22:50

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QuietContraryMary · 05/03/2019 22:52

it's only five minutes old but ok

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WaddIelikeapenguin · 05/03/2019 23:06

What a story! Clearly a very fair person to have passed his gold medal onto the 2nd place skier. Good on him for speaking out.

Sad to read how badly the discovery was handled & particularly that he was not allowed to compete on the men’s team.

Lumene · 05/03/2019 23:16

Thanks for posting.

RepealTheGRA · 05/03/2019 23:25

I read about him before, years ago. I Hadn’t heard that he’d given his medal to second place though,what a really decent thing to do.

Mail are doing really well educating their readers. There was good article about a gay man being forced to dress as a woman a couple of days ago as well, I hope that helps people to connect the dots.

MaryContrary1995 · 05/03/2019 23:35

Oh wow, what amazing people. What tough roads they had. Amazing that they're standing up for females.

TheTurtleDidItAndRanAway · 06/03/2019 07:52

Just like my 75 year old grand mother. But not all women are given an out from gender. I also don't know any girls who'd rather clean than hang out in a field.

I am surprised that no one had considered the possibility that he might be intersex or have some issue beforehand as he looked clearly male in those photos and I'm sure that's one of the reasons the women he showered with had concerns his naked chest as a teen would have been obviously male even if he hadn't developed chest hair.

I think it's interesting though that even as a teen he'd still managed to pay a girl to show herself naked to him. That's probably the most obvious male trait he had.

TheTurtleDidItAndRanAway · 06/03/2019 07:53

Oops, that 'my grandmother line' was a response to this.

It explained why as a young girl I was able to beat up the boys in my class and why I was more interested in playing with tractors than dolls. I went Christmas shopping with my mother once and I begged her to buy me a green toy tractor. But she refused and bought me a doll instead. I was so upset that when I was given it I took it outside and smashed its head off. 'When I got older I would rather have been helping my father in the field or repairing the tractor than doing women's work in the house with my sisters, washing and cooking.

TheTurtleDidItAndRanAway · 06/03/2019 07:55

Imagine little girls today feeling similarly stifled and thinking he was "lucky" to turn out to be a boy. That's what they are hoping for when they transition. They'll never look like that though and people will always recognise they are girls. :(

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