Sporting bodies who have begged to keep women's sports SEX segregated...

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...are in this twitter thread.

mobile.twitter.com/HairyLeggdHarpy/status/1052199906105016321

These are the UK sporting organisations who begged the UK government in 2004 to be exempted from the forthcoming GRA forcing them to include males in women's sports.

Some sporting bodies asked for anonymity.
Just take a moment to ponder that.

Every single submission opposed males in women's sports.

I shall add some quotes from their 2004 submissions below:

Cycling Time Trials stated:

"Any future legislation MUST contain a clearly defined exception for sport. In the interests of fairness, we need to be able to enforce rules that ensure a level playing-field is maintained for all the competitors in an event, without the risk of being dragged through the courts and other tribunals"

Clicky link;

twitter.com/HairyLeggdHarpy/status/1052199906105016321

the Badminton Association of England stated that:

"Competitive badminton would benefit from an exemption from the terms of this bill"

The All England Netball Association stated:

"We would totally support the exemption for sport and particularly Netball for all the reasons given in Lord Moynihan's speech. Although the International Netball Federation has not yet addressed this topic they would also support us in our view"

The Football Association stated:

"The participation of transgender athletes in their acquired gender could threaten the fundamental requirement of a 'level playing field' in sport. We would have to consider mixed football rules if male to female transsexuals are allowed to compete in female football—mixed football is currently prohibited by the FA rules for players over the age of 10 due to the comparatively greater physical strength of male players—disparity in strength levels would in our view lead to increased risk of physical injury. Dope testing of transgender athletes would be extremely problematic. The Bill is potentially in conflict with the Sex Discrimination Act under section 44, which allows the restriction to one sex where the strength and stamina of the average woman would put her at a disadvantage to the average man. The issue of changing facilities is a management issue—we believe the individual concerned would be personally responsible for upholding standards of behaviour in changing rooms"

The British Judo Association stated:

"Whole-heartedly in favour of an exemption pfrom the terms of the Bill to ensure the future of competitive sport is assured. Although the female competitors are every bit as good in technique, there is still a substantial gap between the levels of strength and it is not possible to mix elite male and female players"

Judo cont'd

"of a similar weight in sparring or competitions. There is a substantial gap between the female under 70 kg world champion and the male under 66 kg world champion—any fight between the two would be potentially dangerous for the under 70 kg women—the risk of injury would be unacceptably high".

The Royal & Ancient Golf Club stated:

"The R&A is most definitely in support of an exemption for competitive sport for the obvious reason of fairness to competitors"

The Ladies Golf Union states:

"We are in full support of an exemption for competitive sport, without such an exemption, the Bill would potentially have a detrimental effect on ladies' competitive golf. We think that 'competitive sport' however should include all levels of competition—from grass roots to elite level"

the FA rules for players over the age of 10 due to the comparatively greater physical strength of male players

The Bill is potentially in conflict with the Sex Discrimination Act under section 44, which allows the restriction to one sex where the strength and stamina of the average woman would put her at a disadvantage to the average man.

Do these rules / law still stand?

Did they submit any papers/ evidence?

The Rugby Football League stated:

"We would support the proposition that competitive sports and team sports especially, should have an exemption from the Bill".

Format fail.

I'm just wondering how schools are able to justify letting pupils 'change gender'.

The Amateur Swimming Association stated:

"An exemption for sport at this stage would be helpful—imagine the impact on swimming, and god forbid synchronised swimming. FINA have not even considered this issue as we have asked them to do".

The Lawn Tennis Association,

"have already argued for an exemption in the Bill. The legal recognition of the acquired gender of transsexuals (particularly male to female transsexuals) would in all probability give the transsexual an unfair advantage in terms of strength, stamina and physique".

Did they change their minds or were they over ruled?

the English Volleyball Association stated:

"The EVA board and Committee would not be supportive of the Bill as it would allow for 'unfair' competition".

The law remains in force: You can discriminate where it is justified between men and women or boys and girls.

But legal gender recognition drives a bus through that.

It's quite astonishing that transactivists have, behind-the-scenes and in great stealth, managed to persuade people individually to ignore the evidence of their own eyes.

These people were all asked separately what they thought and they all concluded the same.

People who are at the coalface of sporting competition and know full well that men have an advantage over women.

And that women's sport isn't just a bloody category for every Tom Dick and Harry who can't cut it in the men's or 'feels girly'.

Human beings cannot change sex. A man who doesn't want to be a man, is not a woman.

....gender reassignment.

I'm just wondering how schools are able to justify letting pupils 'change gender'.

My impression is that it won’t be a case of schools “letting” pupils change gender. We will be told that if we don’t collude in the belief we will be in breach of the Equality Act and could be prosecuted.

the Central Council for Physical Recreation, which represents 265 bodies of sport and recreation in this country, relayed verbally its position to Lord Moynihan, who presented these submissions in the House of Lords. It stated:

"We are in full support of an exemption within the Bill for sport. Lord Moynihan has our full backing with regard to his proposed amendment".

....and 'can doesn't mean 'must.'

There is also the problem of international sports governing bodies.

GB operated a policy of life bans from the Olympics for anyone who failed a drugs test. Dear old Dwain Chambers took them to CAS and won.

Just look at what Cycling said! Oh my

Interesting that on Hairy Legged Harpy's thread the LTA say they want to keep tennis sex segregated. But in their recent @Policy and Guidance on Trans People Playing Tennis:

We recognise, however, that there may be
some concerns about fairness in the women’s
and mixed game. Our policy assumes that
trans women (male-to-female trans person)
wishing to compete in mixed or female
sanctioned tennis competitions do so with
the best of intentions and with no intent
to deceive about their status to gain any
competitive advantage. Accordingly, you
should accept people in the gender they
present and verification of their identity
should be no more than that expected of any
other player.
Should someone have a genuine reason to
believe that there may be some deception to
gain a competitive advantage in the mixed
or women’s game or that there are genuine
and substantive concerns about the woman’s
physical strength, stamina or physique
that may put other female competitors
at a disadvantage, they should refer their
concerns to the LTA Safe and Inclusive Tennis
Team.

And to really push women aside - if they don't like a male bodied person in their changing room, they can arrive already changed for the sport (I assume they mean the actual women here, rather than the male born persons)

Trans members should have access to toilets
and the changing room that corresponds
to their gender identity. You could provide
unisex toilets as well as single changing
cubicles in both the men’s and women’s
changing areas.
Complaints from other users must be
handled carefully. It may be that other users
find it uncomfortable to share facilities
with trans people but it is the duty of venue
officials to ensure that confidentiality is
not compromised and that members are
not subjected to abuse, whether physical or
verbal, on any ground. However other users’
or members’ discomfort must not be ignored
and they too should be treated with dignity,
should their discomfort continue they may
arrive ready changed for their tennis activity.

And lo and behold, the document ends with further info being available from GIRES, Gendered Intelligence, Stonewall amongst others. I wonder what it was that changed their stance?

From the twitter thread:

"Goodness, got my account restricted there for a moment for tweeting quotes from the House of Lords.
Who knew that was such a revolutionary act?"

The twitter mods really are spectacular misogynists, aren't they?