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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Women aren't men minus puberty

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IamThereforeIdontIdentify · 05/03/2019 10:54

The discussion about men in women's sports is opening the door - wide - for boys who had had puberty blockers to take part in women's sports. The discussion about male puberty being something that is not undone by reducing sportsmen's levels of testosterone is valid and important. But there's something missing too.

I don't know how to address it, which is why I'm posting here, but female puberty isn't what happens in the absence of male puberty. The changes women's bodies go through surely also need to be framed as a) positive b) separate and valid in their own right and c) unachievable by simply avoiding male puberty.

Even a change in the language would be welcome (by me Smile) not framing the adult male form as the standard, which seems to be increasingly common when sports are discussed. I do realise that most sports were actually developed for men, which doesn't help.

But does anybody see what I mean and/or have ideas about any of this?

Going back to the puberty blockers, I guess it's possible that male teens/adults who've taken hormone blockers and cross sex hormones will not have the physical capacity to compete against girls who've gone through normal development. Which is sad in the physical implications of that for the teens/adults themselves. But at the moment I think it's fair to assume that in the next five years we'll start seeing these kids assuming they can join women's sports because their puberty has been blocked and our arguments about going through male puberty being an advantage will need to be unpicked.

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IamThereforeIdontIdentify · 05/03/2019 17:35

I didn't realise there was a Gay Games. I don't quite understand why? Maybe it's more social and less competitive, hence T being included?

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MIdgebabe · 05/03/2019 17:35

Endurance( multi-day) events favour women.

OlennasWimple · 05/03/2019 17:46

Can you give examples, MIdgebaby?

Women aren't deemed strong enough to manage ten events, having to do the heptathlon rather than the decathlon, for example. I know that there are a few female cross channel swimmers who outperform the men, and the amazing woman who won the transpennine race recently. But I think they are outliers rather than examples of women doing better at endurance events. (Except for life, of course - on average women manage to live longer than men Smile )

RockyFlintstone · 05/03/2019 18:01

Don't women do better in ultra marathons? I'm sure I heard that somewhere.

BettyDuMonde · 05/03/2019 18:10

Women are more likely to complete ultra marathons, but it’s still the male compeitors that are most likely to win them:

womensrunninguk.co.uk/inspiration/why-women-are-better-at-ultrarunning/

MIdgebabe · 05/03/2019 18:21

I was thinking about some fell runners when I made the comment , that and the swimmers. Much longer events than in current olympics. ANyone who wins those events is an outlier.

The hepthlathon/declathlon difference may just be a relic of protecting women?

Not surprised that we can keep going. We need to be able to.

ComputerSaysMo · 06/03/2019 08:45

Also, ultramarathons (like solo yacht racing) require psychological strength and the ability to strategically plan physical exertion/refuelling/rest over time. The reason why women can compete with men in those events is because psychology and strategy really can be a level playing field, while the male explosive strength and speed can be undermined once the mental pain and exhaustion set in.

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