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Sex For Rent - Jeremy Kyle ITV

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Yambabe · 04/03/2019 20:20

I had no idea this was happening.

I'm horrified, sad and angry all at the same time.

How can this be happening, just how?

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AutumnCrow · 04/03/2019 20:24

Austerity, probably, and the ability of people to turn a blind eye to other people's problems.

Personalising the political.

Lemoncakestrudel · 04/03/2019 20:42

Is this where a landlord will allow a lady to rent a room for free if she agrees to sex every time he asks for it? Been happening for a bit of a while now. I understand there have been moves to make it illegal.

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Yambabe · 04/03/2019 20:46

Yes Lemon it was/is.

I can't believe it's not already illegal. All the adverts seemed to be for young women (16-25) as well.

Seething still.

Trying to find if there is a campaign running about this so I can get involved.

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hoodathunkit · 04/03/2019 21:09

I have reported these kinds of ads to the police via 101 whenever I saw them in newsagent windows, which was quite a lot when I lived in London.

Also lots of hand written cards from loan sharks, reported them too.

The police seemed interested in them and thanked me for calling although I have no idea what they did about it subsequently.

They did say at the time that they were concerned about this issue and were looking into how they might be able to take action.

HawayMan · 04/03/2019 21:30

Is it only the landlord they sleep with? Or is it his mates too?

Sorry. I’ve never heard of this.

FermatsTheorem · 04/03/2019 21:48

This has been going on for a long time, but austerity is making it much much worse. It's been quite widely reported in the mainstream press over the last year or so. It's gone from landlords chancing their arm when they know the tenant is short on the rent that week (happened to my sister 30 years ago) to landlords blatantly advertising this sort of arrangement. And universal credit is leaving lots of women with no choice (or at least the choice between that and a cardboard box in a shop doorway).

Lemoncakestrudel · 04/03/2019 21:54

As I understand it, it is just the landlord that you have to make yourself eternally available to.

userschmoozer · 04/03/2019 22:08

''Sex-for-rent' deals are illegal says justice secretary'' 2017

Tenants said they feared they would lose their accommodation if they did not comply with requests for sex.

But Mr Lidington's letter suggests police already have the weapons to take action against landlords imposing such demands on tenants and says the offence carries a prison sentence of up to seven years.

www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-40777693

MagicMix · 05/03/2019 12:49

Hmm, so being a john can get you up to 7 years in prison if you pay with shelter, but if you pay with cash that's fine in the UK? Strange.

This is just prostitution, I don't know why anyone would be surprised that this happens. There is no shortage of men who are prepared to coerce women into sex, i.e. rape them. If they'll pay cash to rape them, they certainly won't have any qualms about making other kinds of 'deals'.

WokerThanWoke · 05/03/2019 12:54

There was a programme about it on BBC three last year. A journalist posed as a potential tenant and covertly filmed some of the meetings she had with men who do this.

MagicMix · 05/03/2019 13:01

Just out of curiosity, is there anyone here who thinks 'sex for rent' deals are morally worse, or even substantially different from a moral point of view, than 'sex for cash' deals? I'm trying to think if there's something I've missed here.

It seems clear that some people seem to find the idea instinctively more repugnant (not necessarily talking about anyone here), but I can't work out why exactly. Could it be the more direct threat of homelessness? What's going on?

AngelaHodgeson · 05/03/2019 13:33

Magic, that's a good question. I instinctively feel it is worse but I'm not quite sure why.

Possibly (in wider society) there is a view that prostitutes have an element of choice in their job / clients but this makes it more obvious that there isn't really a choice.

Horsewithnom · 05/03/2019 14:08

I bet when Mrs May finds out what is going on she'll fix it.

She is bound to care deeply about this being a woman herself.

Sarcastic as fuck smiley.

Dervel · 05/03/2019 14:24

It’s worse because as illegal as it may be I can’t see on what planet it would be enforceable. Unless the landlord is incredibly dense and leaves some sort of written communication explicitly betraying what the nature of the arrangement was I imagine the defense would be somewhere along the lines of “she was a casual sex partner/gf and was in financial difficulty so I put her in a empty room/ property of mine out of the kindness of my heart”

That being the case the power inbalance is terrifying. The idea of a one off cash payment to some stranger as distasteful as that sounds the person doing it potentially has more control over the circumstances and environment. Besides the thought of the front door opening at any hour of the day with someone expecting sex. How would you EVER get any peace of mind or a break from it?

FermatsTheorem · 05/03/2019 18:35

As PP have pointed out, sex for rent is heinous because it brings so clearly to the fore the desperation of the women involved: let your landlord shag you or find yourself in a cardboard box in a shop doorway.

There's no way anyone can even pretend this is a "happy hooker" scenario (in fact the vast majority of prostitutes are also having sex for cash out of financial desperation - I think it's only a small percentage who choose the lifestyle.)

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