Surprisingly balanced article in Guardian

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Shame they didn’t dig into the known physiological science at all, or present some examples of sports women and girls already losing out, but it’s better than I would have expected.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2019/mar/03/sports-stars-weigh-in-on-row-over-transgender-athletes?CMP=ShareiOSAppp_Other

that's because the author, Sean Ingle, generally knows what he's talking about

slightly unusual for the Guardian these days

They didn’t say the real solution though:

Sports need to be segregated by sex (XX/ XY) not gender.

Full stop. This way, everyone is included.

Wasn't there was an article like this last week - an Observer article, so different editorial team, but hosted on the Guardian website?

The thing you need to remember with the Guardian is that there are lots of different editors and journalists. The opinion section editors have swallowed the kool aid, as have the general features editors. But I reckon there are others in the specialist sections who hold very different views.

Good point about the differences in Sunday edition - heartening though that online Guardian readers might get a weekly dose of sense.

" Campaigners divided over whether trans women have an unfair advantage in sport"

divided?

one side has a few self interested nomarks

the other has some of the greatest names in sport, all retired so no personal interest just a desire for fair play

sorry that is far from decent, just more biased rubbish from the Guardian

The Guardian also had a very positive review of a book blowing up the myth of the gendered brain yesterday .

Sean Ingles knows what constitutes cheating in sport, he’s written a lot about doping, much of which has been hampered by legal restrictions. However, I won’t call call an article balanced when they have given someone who is a raging narcissist bully who has won one age group championship beating women in the process and whose interests rely on everyone looking the other way, to counter multiple award winning Olympian women who have put up with this shit their whole lives. It’s like having Stephen Hawking (RIP), Brian Cox and Helen Sharman saying the Earth is an obloid sphere then asking rapper B.O.B about his flat Earth views.

NotBadConsidering 😄 ok, point taken, I was accepting an extremely low bar seeing as it was the Guardian brand. I thought it was notbadconsidering.....

If they do start to publish balanced articles on this subject, it will only be because the tide has turned, no thanks to them, and they'll be desperately playing catch-up. Bastards.

I don’t think it’s a bad thing overall. I think Sean Ingles is hampered really. He wants to highlight the issue but won’t find anyone who can offer any opinion aligned with McKinnnon, because no such opinion exists. I guess we have to accept it because it’s just the opposite of the Guardian writing about Navratilova and quoting every “transphobic” comment but nothing supportive.

@whymewhynow

I'd like to read that. Could you link to it please?

I too thought it was a good article - the lining up of Martina Navratilova, Sharon Davies etc was really clear - The direct quoting of McKinnon made her views look unhinged - ‘Male bodies have demonstrably no advantage over Female bodies’ That is so self evidently bonkers - it actually help peak trans - some of the Guardian readership - I also think the lank of comments allowed under any gender story in the Guardian - demonstrates their knowledge - that their editorial wokeness - is out of step with 80/90% of the readers

I agree with you, lucas. It is very clear from the article that the top sportswomen (aka the voices of common sense) side with Navratilova, and the quote from McKinnon simply made McKinnon look foolish. There were some good quotes in there from FPFW.

Ingles probably wouldn't have written the headline.

Just read the article. It's a good beginning for the guardian. Hopefully it will give other journalists the courage to speak out.

Ingles probably wouldn't have written the headline.

You're right. Journalists never write the headlines. They have specialists for that.

Since the Nov 2003 IOC policy openly allowing trans women to compete, not a single trans athlete has even qualified for the Olympics, let alone won a medal.”

Is there any truth to this claim of RMK? But it actually means nothing; if they haven't qualified it might just be because at first they didn't bother to even try to qualify -- I mean, it must have been a great leap of faith for them to even think they be eligible, knowing they were actually men.

But anyway, McKinnon openly writes books and articles about the art of telling lies; lie that eventually get accepted if you tell them often enough.

Too late for me. In fact, too late since Gaby Hinsliff indulged in a spot of victim blaming post Cologne nye.
I hate it's vacuous posing in the way that everyone else hates the DM.

They have spent the last few years labelling anyone who is gc as transphobic and, as a previous poster has said, have seen the way the wind is blowing. Fuck that

The RMK quote is nonsense

Transwomen have been able to compete since 2003 but only if they had surgery

The rules have just changed to redefine women as low testostorone men

no olympics have happened since then