How many FtM trans people want to compete with men in sports?

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Are there statistics for this?

Or are there FtM trans people who continue to compete against natal women?

Chris Mosier competes against males.

I remember a swimmer that went from being a top female to low ranked in the male category. They seemed to accept this was just how it would be. I guess the validation was a priority over success. I can't recall their name.

It's unlikely that any ftm competing with males is going to become any kind of success or recognised name in sport unless they start arguing for some sort of handicap concession like a timed head start.

It would be interesting to see how men felt about this if they campaigned for it as part of fairer inclusion. Unlikely to happen because it would put them at odds with the mtf's who then might be subject to a timed delay if a campaign was successful and given that it's mostly mtf's who rule the trans movement I suspect they would be shut down in a hot second.

Not that handicap allowances would make any difference to the base biological differences but I suppose it's one direction the debate could go in if ftm athletes decide 'hold on, what about us?'

Patricio Manuel
FTM, has won one well chosen fight.
Presumably takes testosterone so would be considered to be doping.
But not these days eh?

Patricio Manuel - boxer

Incredibly inspiring:
'At a meet against Columbia on November 20, Harvard University freshman swimmer Schuyler Bailar posted a time of 2:19.64 in the men’s 200-yard breaststroke. He finished last. The time would’ve blown the best number by a Crimson or Lions women’s swimmer that day out of the water, beating the fastest mark by more than four seconds.'
www.theguardian.com/sport/2015/dec/18/schuyler-bailar-transgender-swimmer-harvard

The story of Patricio Manuel is very interesting and is a stark contrast to the like of MtoF's like McKinnon who is a very average male. Manuel was a 5 time US women's national amateur champion, so was at the top of their game, narrowly missing out on a 2012 Olympic place because of a shoulder injury.
Manuel also fights in the Super Featherweight division, between 57 and 59 kilos.
It would be interesting to know how they would fare against a Floyd Mayweather jr, Manny Pacquiao or Oscar de la Hoya.
I somehow doubt we are ever going to find out.

The answer is 'some, but they stand no chance'.

There is a lot of disingenuous reporting with the FTM athletes being feted on their stunning and braveness and no actual wins. Ever. Not even one.

Chris Mosier is the standard example, but Mosier has never actually won anything. I believe Mosier DID qualify for an Olympic men's squad but it was in a large field race where Mosier's qualification was based on high in a tiny pool of competitors (35-39 years old or something like that). And in that same race there were (younger) women who ran faster.

So the answer is nada, zilch, they are destined to lose.

Oh and the boxer Manuel who fought against someone who had won no fights.

HEre's a typical story

www.charlotteobserver.com/news/article227023179.html

"Swimming is in Colby's blood. His grandfather, Bill Love, was a PIAA swimming official. His aunt, Sheryl Love, led Bethel Park to its first state title in 1981 and then swam on scholarship at Virginia Tech. Sheryl's name remains on the record board above the Bethel Park pool: 1,650-yard freestyle, 17:21. Colby had hoped to one day beat it. For a while, he was on target.

Bethel Park swim coach Dave Kutrufis said Colby was one of the top-three fastest freshmen the girls team ever had. As a sophomore, Colby was getting letters from Division II college programs. He was hopeful for a scholarship, or at least a chance to walk on to a Division I team. "

So genetically gifted, very fast female, BUT develops gender dysphoria depression etc. transitions to male.

Now?

'After a year away from swimming, Colby returned this season and switched from the girls team to the boys team for his final year of eligibility, proudly wearing scars from his top surgery last fall. His times aren't far from where they once were, but the competition is faster. Colby said, "I can't compare the person that I was the last time I swam to the person that I am now."

Now, he's not swimming for scholarships or school records. He's swimming for something else.

"Just for me," Colby said, before pausing. "I didn't want depression to be the reason I stopped."'

So Colby Love who was going to get scholarships and so on is now just doing it 'for me'. Because there are no other options as an FTM athlete. You are going to lose. It's genetic.

Oh and there's a bit here

www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2019/03/01/rather-than-wrestle-girl-state-championship-this-high-schooler-forfeited/

This is not FTM but this are female-identifying girls who are allowed to compete against boys. Some boys refused and forfeited.

The girls didn't win.