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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Michael Cashman

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EweSurname · 01/03/2019 14:21

Michael Cashman of Stonewall (and Labour peer) tweeted

"Not true. But yet another Twitter myth to be repeated."

in response to someone pointing out that Stonewall sought to change the Equality Act.

Multiple people tweeted at him, pointing out that his assertion was not true and sent photos of Stonewall's submission to the Women and Equalities Select Committee where they stated explicitly they wanted to change the EA.

Michael ignores everyone but after Jonny Best tweets him with the same info, responds thus:

Michael Cashman
‏**@mcashmanCBE**
More Michael Cashman Retweeted Jonathan Best
Let me be clear: I do not believe the called for review of the GRA and any subsequent changes which might be necessary would undermine rights contained with the Equalities Act. I support @stonewalluk submission.

twitter.com/mcashmanCBE/status/1101469215108853760

Please note that the original woman who pointed this out and whom he accused of repeating a twitter myth has not received an apology for this unfounded accusation.

But it's not over yet, because a mere 40 minutes later, he then tweets this:

Michael Cashman
‏**@mcashmanCBE**
@stonewalluk are NOT calling for changes in exemptions for single-sex services in the Equality Act, and they will not be impacted by a move to a self-determination system for gender recognition.

twitter.com/mcashmanCBE/status/1101482113965142022

If anyone can explain this to me, I'd be very grateful.

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EweSurname · 01/03/2019 18:28

Still confused (me, who knows about him)

Michael Cashman
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clitherow · 01/03/2019 18:33

What is going on with these men? They've no horse in the race so to speak, but they arrogantly presume to dictate to women how we should think and feel about this situation.

I think they most definitely do have a horse in the race. Lots of women have been writing about what peaktransed them on the thread started by @glinner. I was peaked a few years ago by a website called bits of books.
bitsofbooksblog.wordpress.com/

This website is a work of sheer genius and dogged resilience by a woman who, I think, works in the legal profession. She has uncovered and gathered together documented evidence (in minutes of meetings, biographies and autobiographies and the press) of the deep corruption and paedophilia that has been at the heart of the British Establishment for decades - this includes all levels of government, police, the secret services, the state church, the royal family and the media. She highlights how the paedophile movement tried to infiltrate the gay rights movement and how organisations like the NCCL and women like Harriet Harman and Patricia Hewitt proffered support to the paedophile information exchange. But there is much more than this on that site. It shows how men, and the women who collaborate with them, have been trying to remove all constraints on sexuality so that society would put no limits on their own desires. So no barriers would exist to desires that include violence, degradation and particularly the destruction of the innocence of children.

I spent every spare moment one summer reading through this labyrinthine site and I bought obscure books that she referenced and I ended up in a state of shock. This is why when I came across the WomensPlace meetings online I had an idea what I was looking at.

I remember seeing a grainy photograph of an early gay rights march where someone (presumably from PIE) was holding up a banner that declared 'We are coming for your children'. It made my blood run cold - well here they are.

I have never been in contact with the woman who compiled this website but she has had a massive impact on how I view my own country and life generally - she made the scales fall from my eyes.

She has drawn a very vivid picture of the diverse groups of people who openly or in the shadows very much have a horse in this race.

ToeToToe · 01/03/2019 18:41

Thanks for linking to that site, clitherow, I hadn't come across that one before. Now bookmarked.

bibbitybobbityyhat · 01/03/2019 18:43

He's like so many people - he hasn't really thought it through. Twit.

dianebrewster · 01/03/2019 18:44

Looks like he's just a straightforward misogynistic gay man to me. I've met a few in my 63yrs. Simon Fanshawe, otoh, gets it. He's not a misogynist. Jonny Best is not a misogynist, he gets it. Nothing to do with whether they are gay or straight, just about how they view women. Some men see women as equal human beings, some don't. Who they want to have sex with doesn't always correlate with their views on women.

IM0GEN · 01/03/2019 18:46

But Transactivism allows them to give full reign to their hatred AND be woke

Just noticed my mistake, it should be “full rein” Blush

ToeToToe · 01/03/2019 19:55

Yes, Simon Fanshawe is far more measured and seems to get it.

Jonny Best is fab.

Gay men are just like straight men - some of them get it, some don't care, some are actual misogynists, and actively embrace transactivism.

FloralBuntingIsObnoxious · 01/03/2019 20:28

It's almost like you can never tell which man is going to be twat until they come out and do and say things which are misogynist, so it's wise to approach the whole group with caution in specific circumstances.

I think that's a pretty good argument for safeguarding. Someone should definitely think about making it...

OvaHere · 01/03/2019 20:31

I find it astonishing that someone who fought for their own rights and protections would be so blasé about giving someone else's away. I guess the mindset is that only men's rights are important and necessary.

merrymouse · 01/03/2019 20:33

I'm glad that Cashman is so clear about all this.

Maybe now he could explain why?

youllhavehadyourtea · 01/03/2019 20:46

Maybe now he could explain why?

We won't find out until a man asks him.

Jonny?

ToeToToe · 01/03/2019 20:52

Jonny's already asked him - he just doubled down. Jonny drew his attention to the Stonewall submission about the Equality Act.

ToeToToe · 01/03/2019 20:55

Michael Cashman thinks this is just like the battle for gay rights in the 80s.

It's not.

At no time in the 1980s did gay men ask to have access to women's spaces - hard-won by feminists and protected in law. And a no time did the gay rights movement promote the medicalisation/surgery to change children's/young people's bodies or suggest children might be born in "the wrong body" according to sex roles last seen in the 1950s.

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