Suzanne Evans barred from Twitter for commenting on Paris Lees

[MrsSnippyPants]

Not exactly sure when this happened but it just popped up in my social media feed:
order-order.com/2019/02/28/twitter-bars-suzanne-evans-saying-trans-woman-wasnt-ladylike/?fbclid=IwAR2wRpRUWmAvZq5Ak4gufkg0V6zxWiHHxZb_JTGpkVP01oYgtCfRhREvSt8

So saying a person is not ladylike, is enough to get a twitter ban?
Or is it saying a transwoman is not ladylike, thats the problem?
Confusing times.

They can keep banning people but the tide is turning. I've just seen a tweet by Paris Lees about TWAW and a vast majority of the replies are disagreement when previously they would have been fawning 'you go girl' types.

I saw this unfold yesterday. Paris was on one of their disingenous straw man rants and tweeted this. I assume this was the tweet Evans replied to, and she wrote that she had met Paris at Newsnight and she had been very aggressive and nasty and 'not at all ladylike'.

Stupid uncalled for thing to say really, but hardly worthy of a twitter ban!

Sorry, tweeted this

I wonder why Paris is so convinced that this is all about Paris?

Does anybody give a flying fuck that Paris is trans? I don't.

I care a great deal when important governmental and organisational policies are based on the lie that transwomen are women same as biological women.

I care a great deal that children are being taught jelly baby ideas that are pure sexism.

Paris growing long hair, wearing makeup, a skirt, having cosmetic surgery, calling themselves a transwoman? No problem at all. Go ahead and present how you like Paris. I don't have a problem with Paris, only with public policy.

I wonder why Paris is so convinced that this is all about Paris?

I know, that is exactly what I think when I read Paris's tweets. It's all about Paris. See also Paris's articles about catcalling and 'good sex'. I guess that's why Paris just don't get why women might have concerns about this whole thing.

It was the same when India was on this morning with Posie and they kept saying to Posie 'what is your problem with this person' - totally missing the point.

I wonder why Paris is so convinced that this is all about Paris?

I think Paris is desperately trying to be relevant.

Paris tried to be the voice of male trans prisoners, campaigning for all to be housed in women's prisons. That's not gone too well.

Paris had tried to become a reality TV star, but hasn't set the world alight there either.

Maybe they can become a twitter star?

Article also says how, surprise surprise, Owen Jones was behind the pile-on.

Such a little bully.

PL misses the point spectacularly-its not about them, but the very real threat of predatory males accessing women only spaces by pretending to be trans....how can someone who wishes to live 'as a woman' have so little empathy with women. Like so many TW activists, they frame women as the enemy...

Re that tweet, if anywhere here were to give Paris the correct pronouns according to their beliefs, they'd get their post deleted. Paris is part of a movement suppressing freedom of speech and conscience, and it does affect people personally.

Yes it affects me personally. If I want to correctly sex Paris Lees, it affects me personally, because I will be deleted.

That's on an individual basis.

If Paris Lees used my changing room or toilets, that would also affect me, personally.

Parks Lees is just being sillly. They are asking the people on Twitter, whether they know them personally and if so, in what way it's affected them.

The pool of people Paris is talking to is infinitesimally small. (And yet, they can still get me banned from mumsnet, twitter and Facebook for speaking the truth. Purely on the basis of their ideology.)

Let us not forget that Paris Lees wrote this (warning: NSFW, and bloody triggering if you've ever been sexually assaulted, and generally guaranteed to send your blood pressure through the roof if you are a feminist who cares about the way popular culture eroticises male sexual violence and female submission).

www.vice.com/en_uk/article/nnq44q/paris-lees-the-21-sexiest-things-about-sex-696

Regardless of Lees' opinion of Lees' gender, I suggest that Evans' epithet for Lees was simply a statement of fact, based on Lees' own words. (Personally I don't like "unladylike" as it's such a patriarchal term, though I realise Evans was using it ironically. But Lees' attitudes to sex are fucking unsavoury and perpetuate all sorts of violent, patriarchal shite that women are trying to fight against.)

The feeling is mutual when you tell women that asserting our boundaries is bigoted, Paris.

It affects women and girls when we are told we should enjoy street harassment and if we don't we're stuck up or whatever it was

And especially from someone who identifies as a woman as it supports the men who say some women just love it.

Dear God.

I did read that before, but it just strikes me afresh.

Lees talks like some kind of adolescent who masturbates frenziedly because their mate's hot sister/brother has just gone 'alright', as they walked past.

And fondly thinks a) anyone wants to hear about it, and b) it's 'kewl'.

Zero affinity either for, or with, women.

I might ask Paris how it affects Paris personally if I assert that Paris, in common with every other human who exists, has existed or ever will exist, cannot change paris’s Sex.
It doesn’t, not one jot. The need for control over thought and speech is pathological.

Argh, that article is so grim. The way that Paris targets that young female journalists lighthearted take on sex, and then barges it out of the way and replaces it with their own very aggressive, pornified and, let's face it, very male take on sex. Whilst framing it as 'what women like'.

It makes me cross every time I read it!

Whilst framing it as 'what women like'.

I wonder if Lees realises? I'm going to say yes, a hundred percent. And that's the fun. I'm a woman, this is what women like. Haha.

Fermats that article Paris wrote......totally from a porny blokes perspective, the bit about grab my throat I can take it-its just wrong on so many levels.

Dear god what did I just read?

That's not written by someone who has had a lot of sex with other people is it?