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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Guardian hypocrisy re female and male physiology

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45andahalf · 26/02/2019 11:36

www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2019/feb/23/truth-world-built-for-men-car-crashes?CMP=fb_gu

So I read this in the Graun the other day - how can they publish something like this that very very clearly shows the differences between male and female physiology and not be 100% behind Martina Navratilova's recent comments about trans women in sport? It's crazy! If we need female crash test dummies to make driving safer for women, how can they say trans women don't have an obvious advantage physically? It's like publishing one article claiming the sky is green and the next day publishing an article to explain why the sky is blue. It's getting more and more Orwellian by the day.

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NeurotrashWarrior · 26/02/2019 12:04

I agree, though worth pointing out someone has written a book on this; this is a summary.

ScipioAfricanus · 26/02/2019 12:06

Yes. Their cognitive dissonance must be exhausting.

BettyDuMonde · 26/02/2019 12:07

Ha! Yes!

Great illustration of the Graun’s hypocrisy.

NeurotrashWarrior · 26/02/2019 12:08

Constant mental gymnastics to avoid 'offence' of men.

hackmum · 26/02/2019 13:15

We've had another thread on this already, but the article was published in the Observer, not the Guardian. It's a different editorial team.

45andahalf · 26/02/2019 16:01

Ah sorry hackmum. Is the Observer more willing to accept reality, then? I didn't see another thread on it.

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OrchidInTheSun · 26/02/2019 16:32

It wasn't in the Observer, it was in the Saturday Guardian.

NeurotrashWarrior · 26/02/2019 18:03

Try reading this:

www.theguardian.com/society/2019/feb/26/trans-man-woman-gp-care-healthcare

NeurotrashWarrior · 26/02/2019 18:03

I got half way through and double checked if it was a parody!

Please do a separate post on it; I don't have the will power!

NeurotrashWarrior · 26/02/2019 18:05

Mind you, Annabelle seems sensible.

NeurotrashWarrior · 26/02/2019 18:09

And Kimberly's experience is down right negligence.

Coyoacan · 26/02/2019 19:54

I'm not in favour of transgenderism, but the treatment given to people in that Guardian article posted by NeurotrashWarrior is appallingly insensitive, though I'm sure trans people are not the only victims of that stuff.

Coyoacan · 26/02/2019 19:57

But actually I think this is the biggest thing that affects transgender people’s lives and this is what we struggle with, getting the healthcare we need

Mind you, one of the reasons I am against transgenderism is that I don't agree in making healthy people drug-dependent. They would have a hell of a lot less visits to the doctor if they weren't subjected to unnecessary surgery and medicalisation.

hackmum · 26/02/2019 20:45

You’re right, Orchid, it was the Saturday Guardian. I got mixed up with the neuroscience piece, which was in the Observer.

I don’t think it’s hypocrisy, though. I think it’s just different editors on the paper making different decisions.

RussellSprout · 26/02/2019 21:15

It's not the guardian anymore, it's the wokedian now.

OrchidInTheSun · 27/02/2019 07:32

I think it's wilful refusal to join the dots. It's why liberal feminism makes no sense. I have friends who would consider themselves ardent feminists and are completely aware of the structural oppression that women face but still are adamant that TWAW. The cognitive dissonance is strong.

andyoldlabour · 27/02/2019 08:54

After reading the Guardian article, I feel more sorry for the overworked healthcare professionals who have to deal with this. Is it really that difficult for a transgender person to be upfront and tell the doctor what the score is immediately, so as to avoid any difficult moments?
As for the cervical smear test - this old chestnut again - this wouldn't happen if the GP was allowed to put a description on the person's records clearly stating that the person was born male, now ID's as transwoman.

NeurotrashWarrior · 27/02/2019 11:21

Many people find going to the Gp very difficult. I've experienced this when struggling for a long time before diagnosis of a few things.

That article shows different things - real confusion by some 'trans' people around the difference between sex and gender. And why I'm medicine your sex is so important. Given the number of people who really actually believe things like "we're all female till 6 weeks gestation" and the actual physicality of the idea of 'born in wrong body,' I'm not surprised some then find it extremely difficult in medical scenarios. For example, boys on average need an extra year of treatment for leukaemia than girls and the relapse rate is higher. You can't identify out if that.

Secondly it shows confusion in how records trigger care pathways for transsexuals or those transitioning.

Thirdly it shows actual negligence as well as bad practice in patient relations.

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