Stonewall drives away backers with 'trans' agenda - Times article

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Someone posted this link on the GIDS article thread, but I think it deserves a thread of its own:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/stonewall-drives-away-backers-with-trans-agenda-t9jqfhc60?shareToken=a7be57af977bc0c65924d198df080ab7

"In a statement to The Sunday Times, Chadwick revealed the couple donated at least £38,000 to Stonewall from 2009 to 2015, before deciding to switch to funding women’s aid charities.

This weekend she said they had no idea “how completely the militant ‘trans’ agenda would overwhelm Stonewall with its confusion of sex and gender and its blindness to all the complex rights issues resulting from that."

I honestly don't know the reasons behind Ruth Hunt's resignation and if it has anything to do with what the article calls a 'growing protest by leading lesbian and gay supporters'. But I think the closing statement in the article is spot on - Ruth Hunt lost what the big principle was.

I just read that article and was "holy fuck!"

People are seeing what they've done in their rush to be right-on. Thankfully they are voting with their feet rather than hiding in shame.

Shame the Trustees can't see the truth.

This is a blinding quote:

“Many other longstanding supporters of Stonewall, including transsexuals, share our concerns and dismay that the very organisation we helped to fund and turn into the ‘go to’ LGBT [lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender] authority, advising political parties and corporates, is now telling schoolchildren that a bearded man with a penis can be a lesbian and any girls and boys deviating from 1950s gender norms are in the wrong body.”

The chief executive of the campaign group Stonewall, Ruth Hunt, has resigned after a growing protest by leading gay and lesbian supporters against her stance on promoting transgender rights

So that's why she resigned? She didn't say.

I'm hoping this will help towards a tipping point - this and the Tavistock resignation etc must mean something surely?

We need more people sticking the boot in - right now.
Have others withdrawn funding. Time for a reboot to Jonny Beat's petition?

I mean Jonny Best. Damn autocorrect

Bravo to the women for speaking out.

Once this whole thing explodes, Stonewall deserves to go down with Mermaids et al.

The fact that they used to be good isn’t good enough.

I would love to know what the readership of the Times is like, amongst, say headteachers. Or any other demographic being targetted with cheap training.

I would love to know what the readership of the Times is like, amongst, say headteachers. Or any other demographic being targetted with cheap training.

It's not that specific but there may be something in this?

www.statista.com/statistics/380755/the-times-newspapers-monthly-reach-by-demographic-uk/

Interesting. You'd probably have to compare it against Guardian readership. Who have actually published on the Tavistock story, surprisingly - I thought this thread was a duplicate of the Times article, but no!

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3516110-Tavistock-Governor-quits

So was Ruth essentially asked to leave then?

Hunt has managed to turn Stonewall into the planets most influential gay conversation therapy organisation.

That's some going; to take Stonewall's raison d'être and corrupt it into something that I suspect many of its supporters can't quite comprehend.

I can't see an easy route back to safety for Stonewall; I suspect it will diminish, losing revenue and its best staff, quoted rarely in the Press, eventually to fold under the weight of numerous civil suits from de-transitioned adults who will employ archived Stonewall news releases to seek financial compensation for the castrations and mastectomies inflicted on them as children and teenagers.

If Stonewall is still 100% pro-trans and Ruth was still asked to resign then I can only think it was because she wasn't pro-trans enough. I suspect the next CEO will be trans, maybe of the Challenor variety.

Stonewalls next move will be make or break for the LGBT community. If they carry on the way they are they'll seal their own coffin in my opinion.

If Stonewall is still 100% pro-trans and Ruth was still asked to resign then I can only think it was because she wasn't pro-trans enough

I don’t think so. The trustees may be 100% pro trans but that doesn’t mean they are wedded to being 100% aggressive TRA and very little else, and that’s the direction Hunt has taken Stonewall. It looks to me that falling donations will be the reason she has been asked to resign. A nearly 40% drop in a year is pretty disasterous for a charity. I would guess Hunt had said she could claw a lot of that back this year but has only managed to get about a quarter of it. That, I would think, will be the reason she’s been asked to go.

Stonewall could still be 100% pro-trans and not buy into the cotton ceiling or any of the many other things that have alienated so many donors. Many people on FWR are pro-trans, let’s face it. It’s just where it interferes with sex based rights that most have a problem (though some people are probably becoming more militant and reactionary in the face of TRA activism). Stonewall can be 100% pro-trans without buying into the homophobic or fetishist aspects that the vocal aggressive TRA activisits have championed, there is plenty of trans support for a less batshit approach that doesn’t stamp all over lgb.

Comment section is sensible and so sane so far.

The article, and the comments to it, are a breath of fresh air! I actually subscribed to the Times because they are the only GC mainstream paper (except for the DM which I won't touch with a barge pole!) Me, a diehard socialist!

Encouraging article. The bearded be-penised 'lesbian' was a crazy step too far

Shame to damage Stonewall's legacy like this but it's now time they were disbanded and new separate organisations set up. Lesbians need an organisation focussed on their needs.

I was also unsure of this NotTerfNorCis:

The chief executive of the campaign group Stonewall, Ruth Hunt, has resigned after a growing protest by leading gay and lesbian supporters against her stance on promoting transgender rights

I felt it was written so a causal link could be inferred while there doesn't appear to be such a link. A bit too slippery for me although I liked the rest of the article.

threads:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3488261-The-Financial-Juggernaut-that-is-Stonewall

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3514190-Ruth-Hunt-is-leaving-Stonewall