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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Glasgow library cancels women's event after pressure from TRAs

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Bebstar123 · 22/02/2019 13:14

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ChattyLion · 25/02/2019 10:04

Thanks Candid. I would love to know who can call EHRC to account on this and require them to review their current guidance. Clearly they both don’t give a crap about women’s concerns and also don’t recognise that they are not supporting trans people properly either.

Manderleyagain · 25/02/2019 12:01

I think the lack of clarity in the ehrc guidence is (partly) due to the lack of case law in this area. Our common law system means we don't really find out what the law is until it is used on the ground. If it's not used much, different lawyers have different opinions (educated guesses) on what a court would decide. They are working on hypothetical situations. Presumably ehrc can only give out guidence which is definitely backed up by the law. It would be more honest to say 'the legislation is not clear on....' but instead there are silent gaps. That leaves space for the activist advisors to nudge policies (if not the law itself) the way they would like it to be.

ChattyLion · 25/02/2019 15:04

there are silent gaps. That leaves space for the activist advisors to nudge policies (if not the law itself) the way they would like it to be.

Agree Manderley but I feel more cynical about how EHRC have gone about it. It feels like there is self-interest or self-preservation at play in EHRC leaving the ambiguities unexplored and not clearly stating why EHRC can’t be clearer. They should be loudly calling for legal review so everyone can be clearer where they stand.

We have a few players in the voluntary sector giving -i’ll be generous- somewhat ambiguous and partisan advice and training to a gullible and scared public sector who have effectively outsourced their thinking on this to those few players.

This is where you get all the ‘getting ahead of the law’ and ‘trans people need rights’ claims from. And constant omission of ‘sex’ from the list of protected characteristics that public sector bodies list in relation to the Equalities Act.

Maybe EHRC guidance isn’t that strong anyway to stop organisations being able to take this stuff and run with it but by sitting on their hands they have enabled a lot of inaccuracies to be peddled which is against the interest of women and children and which will cost the public sector a lot to unpick. I don’t think the charity commission come out well out of this either for not keeping more of an eye where charities sail close to the wind, legally but that’s a separate issue maybe.

But I don’t know enough about how this area works really.. hence my question asking who (if anyone) can ask EHRC to review their current guidance.

ChattyLion · 25/02/2019 16:12

This is where you get all the ‘getting ahead of the law’ and ‘trans people need rights’ claims from. And constant omission of ‘sex’ from the list of protected characteristics that public sector bodies list in relation to the Equalities Act.

What I mean here about the claim that ‘trans people need rights’ is that of course all people need rights and legal protection - but theres an impression given by this advocacy that trans people don’t already have rights, (which they do, just as all other people do). It’s never really spelt out what are the rights that are apparently being denied.

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