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Transgender women in women's sport - how it happened.

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andyoldlabour · 19/02/2019 10:28

I have been looking back at all the (considerable) information I have collated over past four months or so, and I was trying to find the IOC regulations regarding transgender women and when the decision was made to allow them to compete in women's sport.
The meeting happened in Lausanne in November 2015, and as far as I can tell, most of the World's individual sporting organisations will be bound by these rules.

stillmed.olympic.org/Documents/Commissions_PDFfiles/Medical_commission/2015-11_ioc_consensus_meeting_on_sex_reassignment_and_hyperandrogenism-en.pdf

2.Those who transition from male to female are eligible to compete in the female category under the following conditions:2.1.The athlete has declared that her gender identity is female. The declaration cannot be changed, for sporting purposes, for a minimum of four years.2.2.The athlete must demonstrate that her total testosterone level in serum has been below 10 nmol/L for at least 12 months prior to her first competition (with the requirement for any longer period to be based on a confidential case-by-case evaluation, considering whether or not 12 months is a sufficient length of time to minimize any advantage in women’s competition).

www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/jan/25/ioc-rules-transgender-athletes-can-take-part-in-olympics-without-surgery

Former IOC medical commission chairman Arne Ljungqvist who was present at the meeting, said the consensus was driven by social and political changes.

So, forget the biology and physiology, simply let the touchy feely stuff rule.

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andyoldlabour · 20/02/2019 16:26

jay55

That was back in 2015, and it was an Iranian official who informed an Iranian news media site that there were 8 players included who had not had sex change operations.
It should be noted that they played hardly any games.

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GrumpyGran8 · 21/02/2019 14:00

Given the existence of state sponsored doping, I have no doubt that state sponsored transing (if that’s a verb) would be used by some states in order to gain competitive advantage.
I have no doubt it's already starting. As I recall, there was some research a few years ago apparently confirming what several women athletes were reporting - that their athletic performance improved after they'd had a baby. Some time after that, I was reading reports that Russian athletic officals were encouraging their women athletes to get pregnant and then have an abortion.
Now that it's come out that male bodies develop bigger muscles, bones and lungs because of the testosterone rush during puberty, it's highly likely that coaches in certain countries are now doping prepubescent girl athletes with testosterone. Once the girls have passed a certain stage of puberty and the testosterone is stopped, how will anybody be able to tell these athletes haven't developed their build naturally?

andyoldlabour · 21/02/2019 14:21

If we look at the 2012 Olympic games, then it makes you wonder what the UK with a population of 66 million is doing right, when we win 29 gold medals, and Russia with a population of 147 million win 19 gold medals.
Of course when our athletes are involved in any controversy, everything is swept away.

www.bbc.co.uk/sport/athletics/33178292

www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/athletics/11684134/Revealed-There-have-been-224-cases-of-British-athletes-missing-drugs-tests-in-last-five-years.html

www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/aug/02/lizzie-armistead-olympic-reprieve-questioned-fellow-athletes

Then there is the magical TUE -Therapeutic Use Exemption, which allows an athlete to compete using drugs which are normally banned, if there physician decides that they need them to compete.
This is a favourite ploy used by US and UK athletes, also the Norwegian Winter Olympics squad.

www.reuters.com/article/us-olympics-2018-nors-norway/norways-cross-country-olympic-success-clouded-by-asthma-drug-ethics-idUSKBN1EV0EC

norwaytoday.info/sport/norway-sent-6000-asthma-doses-olympics/

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FermatsTheorem · 21/02/2019 14:28

TUE stinks across the board. It's being massively misused. (Certain very prominent and successful cyclists spring to mind... - no, not that one Wink - the ones still competing as men.) And was also the rule which allowed that American transboy wrestler to continue to compete against girls even when taking amounts of testosterone which would clearly be against the rules in any other circumstances.

andyoldlabour · 21/02/2019 16:00

"TUE stinks across the board. It's being massively misused."

I agree, they should be banned altogether, if a rider is too unwell to compete then they should rest.
At the 2014 Tour de Romandie, Chris Froome was suffering from a bad chest infection, so the team doctors got him a TUE for the corticosteroid Prednisolone. Froome went on to win the final time trial stage and the race overall - not bad for someone with restricted breathing.
Then Froome returned a dodgy test at the Vuelta Espana in 2017, where he was 66% over the limit for Salbutamol.
The final article is about Mo Farah and Alberto Salazar.

www.cyclingnews.com/news/report-uci-fast-tracked-froome-tue-request-at-tour-de-romandie/

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Tour_de_Romandie

www.cyclingnews.com/news/more-details-of-chris-froomes-successful-salbutamol-defence/

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/feb/28/mo-farah-me-l-carnatine-drugs-sport

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