Martin Beckford: One prisoner in 50 'identifies as the opposite sex'

[TimeLady]

The Mail on Sunday Home Affairs Editor now seems to be on the case too, after last week's spat with the lawyer.

Almost one in 50 prisoners is transgender, according to a survey of inmates conducted by the official jail watchdog. Inmates at notorious top security male prisons such as Belmarsh, Long Lartin and Wakefield said they identified as female or ‘non-binary’. Transgender prisoners are allowed to choose whether they are kept in a male or female jail and can receive other perks, including showering alone. Critics fear that some inmates are falsely claiming to be transgender to win privileges.
The survey numbers are far higher than those published by the Government. Ministry of Justice statistics published last year found only 139 prisoners said they were transgender.

Do you suppose all of them are honest?

Oops forgot the link

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6712985/One-prisoner-50-identifies-opposite-sex.html

It's almost like we should have seen this coming...oh wait.

Do you suppose all of them are honest?

No, I suspect they are attempting to play the system for an easier life. I can't say I blame them; it's the system that's wrong.

"There's a stong criminal element in here, Mr McKay..."

Do you suppose all of them are honest?

Yes, acceptance without exception, why would a bunch of people in prison lie?

Yes, acceptance without exception, why would a bunch of people in prison lie?

"There's a stong criminal element in here, Mr McKay..."

Porridge would be interesting if written now...

Well, either a) transgender people are committing crime at higher rates than the rest of the population or b) some prisoners are pretending to be transgender for personal advantage.

Well, either a) transgender people are committing crime at higher rates than the rest of the population or b) some prisoners are pretending to be transgender for personal advantage.

LALALALALALALALALA
I'm not listening....
Pointing this out is actual transphobia!

Interesting statistic. How will TRAs play it?

Transwomen are vastly overrrespresented in the prison population - which would imply that they are more likely to commit crime? (Ooops!)

Or people who are criminal will game the system? - which means the system is wrong (ooops!)

Or self ID is flawed? (Oops!)

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Do you suppose all of them are honest?

Yes, because prisoners are known for being honest. It's the one quality they all have in common.

Transwomen are vastly overrrespresented in the prison population - which would imply that they are more likely to commit crime?
No, it's obviously because they are discriminated against in the justice system.
Even pre transition. There's a way judges can just tell if someone feels a bit trans...

Porridge would be interesting if written now...

For it's day it was really progressive, it had transexual and gay characters.

I must have missed the trans-sexual characters in Porridge.

Lukewarm (Chris Biggins) was so nice he was clearly in for what was then but is not now a crime.

Ministry of Justice statistics published last year found only 139 prisoners said they were transgender.

Remember that the MoJ defines transgender as a 'prisoner who has had a case review at the Transgender Advisory Board'.

So people like Karen White and Lauren Jeska are not transgender according to the MoJ.

So the 139 transgender inmates figures were always utter rubbish from the start.

Bad stats badly written up into a misleading article.

The 1 in 50 (by survey, not by official record, registration or statement of any form) covers both trans and non-binary.

It them discusses issues surrounding trans, which do not apply to non-binary, but which leaves the impression that all those in the numbers are covered by those those rules on those issues. That is simply not the case, it's an apples and pears comparison.

People really need to read Bad Science, and The Firled Gude to Lies and Statistics.

Though of course, those who simply seek confirmation will pounce in this acritically. Which will make then look like woolly thinkers when the stats are so obviously reported so wrongly. Pity, and the Mail should do better (constant refrain!)

Non-binary comes under the trans umbrella, Viking.

I must have missed the trans-sexual characters in Porridge.

'Whittaker' was transexual

Yes, I'm not thick. I know it can do.

But the article is stll wrong and misleading to conflate them in these specific circumstances

(The questionnaire) now includes the question: ‘Do you identify as transgender or transsexual?’
Analysis by this newspaper shows that of the 6,667 people questioned in 43 different prisons, 118 said they were transgender – 1.77 per cent of the total or about one in 57. In male prisons, the proportion of transgender inmates is higher still at 116 out of 6,263 – 1.85 per cent, or one in 54.

The almost "I in 50" isn't referring to the non-binaries

The one in 54 figure comes from inmates responding yes to the question "Do you identify as transgender or transsexual?"

So there might actually be no inmates who responded yes to that question who are non-binary.

And if someone considers themselves transgender, then they are transgender. That is the whole point of self-ID.

So people like Karen White and Lauren Jeska are not transgender according to the MoJ.

But they both have been or are in women's prisons?

How does a male person get to be in a female prison if they are not classed as trans?

Cross-posted with TimeLady.