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Jesse Singal, US journalist: British people in legal trouble...hit me up

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GrinitchSpinach · 14/02/2019 22:48

Jesse Singal has been much reviled for an article he wrote for the Atlantic in that magazine's July/August 2018 edition:

www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2018/07/when-a-child-says-shes-trans/561749/

He is now apparently looking at British people called/visited/warned off by police for expressing gender critical views in public. I know many of you read or participate here, so I wanted to signpost his query. The 1984 stuff has got to end.

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VeniceAllan · 15/02/2019 02:57

I'm not on twitter anymore so I can't contact him. See how this works?

lydiamajora · 15/02/2019 04:11

Not that people aren't allowed to change their minds, but wasn't Mr Singal calling us all T*RFs awhile back?

AuntieOxident · 15/02/2019 04:29

Well, his tweets are definitely GC. And his page has an email address
[email protected]

Homestar · 15/02/2019 07:16

I think he does that thing of criticising “TERFs” so that people don’t see him as an anti-trans extremist. It doesn’t work with TRAs obviously, he’d be one of the first people they’d ship off to the gulag, but it probably helps with other American journalists.

He’s not anti- trans but he’s raised some questions about childhood transition, and exposed bad actors in the TRA movement so obviously they hate him and try to paint him as a literally violent fascist nazi chaser pervert trying to creep on transwomen while denying their existence.

Slagging off “TERFs” is not admirable but I think it may have been a strategy to try and stop the mud from sticking.

The man writes good well-researched articles and they seem quite fair and thoughtful. I think he would be safe to talk to despite the “TERF” bullshit. Perhaps someone could ask Glinner as he’s already responded to Singal’s thread.

ComputerSaysMo · 15/02/2019 08:09

I’ve posted this link on another thread as well, but apparently painting people as violent chasers and trying to end their careers if they publish something some TRAs disagree with is a bit of an established tradition. This is from 2008 and is a well researched paper on the writing of “The Man Who Would Be Queen” and the subsequent organised backlash against it. It’s a long read:

link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10508-007-9301-1

I saw a bit of the backlash against Singal a while ago, and then saw that paper and thought, hang on...

GrinitchSpinach · 15/02/2019 12:01

so obviously they hate him and try to paint him as a literally violent fascist nazi chaser pervert trying to creep on transwomen while denying their existence.
Yeah I wonder if this having any effect on his perception of transactivism... I don't follow him closely but I like some of his recent tweets on the subject of gender identity ideology:

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JessicaJonesJacket · 15/02/2019 15:48

I think Jesse has been trying to walk a fine line between being GC, writing well-researched articles and then criticising 'terfs' if he feels he's going to get a backlash.
His article on Zucker was excellent and brought him a lot of flack.
I read his tweets about the Mermaids' graphic but now someone has pointed out that AOC fundraised for them, it'll be interesting to see where Jesse goes with it all. I think Jesse thought he could criticise it because it was in the UK but AOC puts it firmly in US interests.

LangCleg · 15/02/2019 23:31

I think Jesse Singal is your bog standard sexist man who thinks he can adjudicate which males women must accept as women and what safeguarding is sufficient for women's children. He didn't give a shit about TERF until he started getting called it.

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Ereshkigal · 15/02/2019 23:47

Agree, Lang. But if he platforms the "British people" he's asking to contact him there's no way back to trans-allyhood for him.

donquixotedelamancha · 15/02/2019 23:56

The TERF post in PP was 3 years ago. I wonder whether he still thinks the same?

I read a very good article by him a few months back and my impression is he gets a lot of abuse for asking hard questions about the Butlerian Jihad.

Many people who have defaulted to accepting the 'TERFs bad, TRAs good' narrative have shifted in the last year.

FloralBuntingIsObnoxious · 16/02/2019 00:00

Have you seen the way the Activists talk to him on Twitter? There's no going back anyway. He's in that (earned, sadly) unpleasant nether space of being cast out from the inner sanctum for heresy, and will not be forgiven by the AWAs because he refused to capitulate.
He may prove useful for amplifying GC voices, but it all depends if he's savvy enough to realize he can't bargain his way back to allyship with AWAbots and has to stand for women. I wouldn't trust him not to try and do a 'middle ground' hail mary to see if he can cling to neutrality, myself.

ComputerSaysMo · 16/02/2019 00:09

Katie Herzog, in her recent interview with Meghan Murphy, specifically mentions Singall as a friend and another progressive person who’s suddenly had the scales fall from his eyes:

(Thanks to GrinichSpinach for posting the original link a while ago.)

LangCleg · 16/02/2019 09:54

But if he platforms the "British people" he's asking to contact him there's no way back to trans-allyhood for him.

I concede this would be burning more than a few bridges!

He may prove useful for amplifying GC voices, but it all depends if he's savvy enough to realize he can't bargain his way back to allyship with AWAbots and has to stand for women. I wouldn't trust him not to try and do a 'middle ground' hail mary to see if he can cling to neutrality, myself.

I think absolutely fine to use him as a resource if he's offering to be one but agree that it should not be on the basis of trusting him as someone who is pro-woman. He is not pro-woman.

Lumene · 16/02/2019 12:05

I think he has been on the journey to terfdom for a while, and is writing as much as is possible in the narrow space of left leaning ‘progressive’ journalism in the US at the moment.

The US discussion is positioned much more Trumplovers/Christian right vs Democrat types, and there just isn’t the wider discussion of the nuances outside of the right wing press.

DoctoressPlague · 16/02/2019 12:27

He wants to write a story from the free speech angle, which is great, and he's doing good work showing the madness of transing kids, but I don't think I would approach him. A science writer who tweets "terfs suck"?

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