Transgender man becomes pregnant after IVF wants baby to be declared motherless on Birth certificate

[OtepotiLilliane42]

This is also covered in the Telegraph but I cannot access their article.
We have a similiar case in NZ, and I've put the links below. Scout had a baby girl just before Christmas. I am glad that everything went well for Scout and their daughter, but the denial of biological reality by Scout (especially in the Spinoff article) and the transgender parent in the Mail article is really sad. The media in NZ hasn't helped either by its decision to report Scout's story on Scout's own terms. In real life Dads don't get pregnant and have babies, at least human ones don't.
Other transgender parents in the UK have recorded themselves as the mother apparently, so it will be interesting to see where this goes.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6698303/Transgender-man-pregnant-IVF-battles-child-declared-motherless.html

thespinoff.co.nz/parenting/04-07-2018/im-pregnant-and-im-going-to-be-a-dad/

www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/parenting/baby/109558179/kiwi-dad-scout-barbourevans-gives-birth-to-daughter

Oohh Otipoti I hope get to have a cuppa together one day 🤗.

Ote

That would be nice Yeah.
I hope you are having the same hot weather we are in the deep south.

I feel for the kid. I have nothing against transmen at all. But this is something that will affect the child down the line on all sorts of official documents where you have to declare parentage (passports etc). I wonder how all that could possibly pan out.

I know Dimsumloseum. I really don't understand how a woman can experience birth and in the same breath be resolute in the belief that she is not the child's mother. Scout's story is really disturbing for me in that those around Scout seem so happy to allow them to live in such an unreal bubble. And I don't see how Scout could be allowed to claim they are the child's father on the birth certificate instead of the mother, as that would be false information. I hope that the judges rule against the UK transman's request but in these times one just doesn't know.

I always worry about these fads in this worrying time. You really do have to think about the effects of your actions on your children. Being motherless can easily turn you into a non-person. And once you are considered to be a non-person, that’s it for life.

The mother really hasn't thought about this have they? I say "mother" because men cannot have babies.
A totally selfish person who puts their own ideology before the feelings and future treatment of their child.

Ok I'm confused. If they believe themselves to be a man then why would they want to use their "wrong parts" to create a child?surely that is as ultimately biologically female as you can get. I mean gestating, delivering and feeding a baby are so over poweringly female then why doesn't it trigger them?

This is ridiculous. Who ever knew south park could be real

Its important information the child deserves the truth on the birth certificate.

The birth certificate is a document for the child. It benefits the child and is used for the child. The child has a right to a birth certificate that accurately reflects reality.

The mother is using the birth certificate as a validation prop for themselves. That’s not Ok.

I've just filled in a visa form and needed to put my mother's details in so how would that work?

The child will need to educate itself.

The response to this will be dictated by whether one believes that a birth certificate is there to validate the feelings of the adults involved or to accurately document the birth of a baby. If the former, then this will be all super, smashing and great, if the latter, then it will be utterly ridiculous. I am of the latter persuasion.

Bowl on the money as usual. Whose birth certificate is it - the child's or the parent's?

The mother is using the birth certificate as a validation prop for themselves. That’s not Ok.

Exactly this

"Ok I'm confused. If they believe themselves to be a man then why would they want to use their "wrong parts" to create a child?"

Yes, the ultimate act of misgendering oneself

"What about the babies right to a relationship with it’s mother?"

Trans "human rights" always trump those of mere mortals dontcha know.

I struggle to understand this. My uncle is a transsexual (female to Male, had full surgery in the mid 90s) and is disgusted by/absolutely rejects every female part of himself. He won’t even tolerate old photos or memories of when he was female.

For someone to feel so uncomfortable in their female biological sex, then do the one thing that is the most female thing anyone could ever do by gestating and birthing a child, surely that’s one mixed up person who has no real reason to claim gender dysphoria.

It's a fact of life that all babies, all mammal babies, have a mother.
To say that now we have babies that have no mother, it's a very basic lie.

It feeds into a lot of current news that can only go badly for women.
The framing of surrogates as gestational carriers has a similar feel.

Then we have this thing about trying to get men to 'chestfeed' by taking lots of hormones.

The only thing we have that men could never take, and that drove them mad, was the fact that we are the ones who get pregnant, give birth.

The role of a father is not exactly the same and that is fine.

If and when men can obfuscate and claim that pregnancy and birth are not a wholly female matter, we will face some major issues, and I do not think things will go in our favour.

It is also a further destruction of words bringing to women.

Mother means someone who grows and births a baby.

The situation with surrogacy where the woman is seen as nothing whatsoever to do with the baby she grows inside her, because genetics (an extremely male view) and this situation where the child will be told, and potentially legally, that they have no mother is unprecedented. Who is looking out for the interests of the child here?

I really hope the courts rule in the interests of the child. Legal documents should never support a fiction. If the parent is not honest, how are they going to explain to the child where they came from? Will the child be expected to believe their Mother abandoned them? This has huge implications for the child.I don’t understand why some trans people feel the need to obliterate the facts of their past.

Quote: 'Pregnancy is understandably but frustratingly gendered.* Talk about needing to have the system flag show Scout as female in order to access maternity services... geez. .

Surely we can come to a sensible conclusion and have sex and gender options on all forms / systems: female 'dudes' (their word) and male 'dudes' and female 'chicks' and male 'chicks' with the gender field being optional.

I would identify as a female gender neutral, Scout could identify as a female dude.

Then the birth certificate could have parent one and parent 2 (optional).

They gave birth because they are a woman. Women give birth, not men.
Women are mothers when they give birth.

It ain't difficult