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Meghan Murphy files legal complaint against Twitter following her suspension for pronoun useage re JY

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R0wantrees · 12/02/2019 07:59

Feminist Current update:

"Meghan Murphy’s legal team has filed a complaint against Twitter, after they suspended her account for tweeting, “Yeah, it’s him,” in reference to a trans-identified male who took a number of female estheticians to human rights court after they declined to give him a Brazilian bikini wax. The case will be entirely funded through donations."
www.feministcurrent.com/2019/02/11/whats-current-meghan-murphy-files-legal-complaint-against-twitter-over-account-deletion/

Meghan Murphy had announced her intention to start this legal action when part of the 'Women Stand Up' protest outside Twitter's Washington offices.

m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2366769483443018&id=100003299679086&refsrc=http%3A%2F%2Ft.co%2FD8guU5XQ0R&_rdr

Meghan Murphy also gave a speech at the Washington 'We Need To Talk' event
'about Gender Identity and Social Media'

threads:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3456835-We-NEED-to-speak-out-about-this-person

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3460252-Miranda-Yardley-calls-out-the-predator

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3490776-Women-Stand-Up-in-Washington-D-C

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R0wantrees · 12/02/2019 08:02

Meghan Murphy (in her own words)

"I'm suing Twitter — here's why"

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BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 12/02/2019 08:22

Fantastic news

I will donate to the crowdfunder this evening

Thanks for flagging

samsamsamsamsamsam · 12/02/2019 08:26

yes!

I will donate too since I too have had semipermanent bans.

I have been sending emails to news orgs with examples of this happening, I am going to resend my email prefixed with this legal action - hopefully they will take more notice now.

R0wantrees · 12/02/2019 09:22

National Review article By MAIREAD MCARDLE
'Journalist Sues Twitter for Banning Her over ‘Women Aren’t Men’ Tweets'
(extract)
"Journalist Meghan Murphy on Monday filed a lawsuit against Twitter after she was banned from the platform over tweets referring to a transgender individual by their biological sex and opining that “women aren’t men.”

After a number of temporary suspensions, Twitter in November permanently locked the verified account of Murphy, a Canadian writer and self-described feminist, informing her that she had violated the platform’s hateful-conduct rules.

“We prohibit targeting individuals with repeated slurs, tropes or other content that intends to dehumanize, degrade or reinforce negative or harmful stereotypes about a protected category,” the policy reads.

In late October, Twitter added “targeted misgendering or deadnaming of transgender individuals” to its list of prohibited behavior and applied the policy retroactively to Murphy’s earlier tweets.

“Women aren’t men,” read an October tweet from Murphy. “How are transwomen not men? What is the difference between a man and a transwoman?” she wrote in another.

Murphy deleted those tweets, per Twitter’s request, but her account was locked again, this time with no reason given, when she wrote that some of the social-media giant’s rules were “bullsh*t.”

“I’m not allowed to say that men aren’t women or ask questions about the notion of transgenderism at all anymore?” she tweeted. “That a multi-billion dollar company is censoring basic facts and silencing people who ask questions about this dogma is insane.” (continues)
www.nationalreview.com/news/journalist-sues-twitter-for-banning-her-over-women-arent-men-tweets/

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GrinitchSpinach · 12/02/2019 12:56

Great links as usual, R0.

Wall Street Journal also covering, though this is behind the paywall:

www.wsj.com/articles/writer-sues-twitter-over-ban-for-mocking-transgender-people-11549946725

Rolling my eyes VERY hard at the headline.

hackmum · 12/02/2019 15:19

On what basis is she suing them? Is it on the basis that they've broken their own terms of service? Or something else? And is she suing them in the US or in Canada? Sorry if I've missed it, but it wasn't clear in the things I read.

GrinitchSpinach · 12/02/2019 15:57

She is suing them in California, home to Twitter HQ.

I do not identify as a lawyer, so cannot evaluate this, but someone on KF dug into the details in a way that seems to make sense to this laywoman:

There are three causes of action. The first is breach of contract. This is treating the Terms of Service and other associated arglebargle as a binding contract, which it more or less is. Your presence on the platform is the consideration you give in return for the promises of Twitter to do what they're doing.

I don't think this is strong since as with most such platforms, they reserve the right to kick you off for a broad range of behaviors more or less up to them. I don't really see a precedent that an ISP is generally liable for kicking you off a free service.

The second is promissory estoppel, a more elusive cause of action, and is based on the general fact that Twitter has, since its existence, held itself out as some kind of free speech platform welcoming all and that short of illegal behavior like promoting terrorism or very limited kinds of hate speech, you can expect to be able to say what you want.

As a result of this promise, people have devoted a lot of spare time to Twitter pursuits, and yet, that promise is complete bullshit. They got in this monopolistic position on false pretenses by lying to people, and it's actually a platform that is pushing a very specific agenda, and if you are not aboard the [redacted by Grinitch for unMumsnet word] train and willing to pretend men are women, you're not welcome.

Again, I don't think much of this from a legal perspective. I don't see it succeeding. However, Twitter looks like shit if they make the argument in their defense that they were basically lying but it's okay to lie, and yes, they really are a one opinion only allowed forum, not a free speech platform, and if you are a conservative, get off.

Their defense, and it's legally sound, is they're basically a pack of liars, their whole premise for existing is bullshit, they have an agenda and they're pushing it, and they're legally entitled to do that. Don't like it? Leave.

Their defense is to tell a good chunk of their userbase to fuck off and go somewhere else.

The third and actually most interesting cause of action from a legal perspective, and the one I think is most likely to survive a motion to dismiss is this:

Violation of Unfair Competition Law – Bus. & Prof. Code § 17200, et seq.

Now there's a mouth full. What exactly is that, you might ask.

Well, Dhillon is happy to say:

"Under the Unfair Competition Law (UCL), “[a]ny person who engages, has engaged, or proposes to engage in unfair competition may be enjoined in any court of competent jurisdiction.” Civ. Code § 17203. Unfair competition is defined as “any unlawful, unfair or fraudulent business act or practice and unfair, deceptive, untrue or misleading advertising.” Civ. Code § 17200.

Advertising is nearly any public statement a company makes encouraging people to use their product, either on its own merits or as compared to some available competitor.

Twitter routinely makes public statements of this sort and has for years:

“1. Twitter stands for freedom of expression for everyone.
2. We do not take sides. We show sides. Every side.
3. We treat everyone equally: the same Twitter Rules apply to all.
4. You have the right to express yourself on Twitter if you adhere to these rules.”

This statement is intended to get people to use Twitter, that is, to become their customers. This is advertising.

It is also, as we all know, an outright fucking lie.

Quite often, unfair competition/false advertising claims like this are pursued by competitors who allege that their customers have been poached by false advertising and they're entitled to compensation for lost profits and injunctive relief prohibiting future such claims.

However, in this case the plaintiff is claiming to be a deceived customer who relied upon their false advertising in order to become a customer and has thereby lost something of value, essentially treating the statute as a consumer fraud statute. Dhillon appears to believe California allows this and makes apt looking arguments in favor of that view.

Usually, you lead with your strongest claim and end with the flimsier ones. In this case, Dhillon has led with the headline getting claims, despite the fact that (IMO) they do not seem likely to succeed, while the oddball final claim is the one that seems like it might actually have a shot.

GrinitchSpinach · 14/02/2019 20:50

Julie Bindel writes about the suit for the American Spectator:

‘We lose so much when we don’t stand up to this kind of thing,’ says Murphy. ‘We cannot allow a multi-billion-dollar company to be the arbiter of truth, and to dictate our free speech.’ Never a truer word spoken
spectator.us/meghan-murphy-twitter/

Uptheapplesandpears · 14/02/2019 21:15

Where's the crowd funder?

AndhowcouldIeverrefuse · 14/02/2019 21:15

I do not identify as a lawyer, so cannot evaluate this Grin

GrinitchSpinach · 14/02/2019 21:37

more info and donation link here: meghanmurphylawsuit.com

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