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Sexnotgender · 11/02/2019 18:59

I saw this on Facebook earlier and thought how lovely, parenting done right...

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Sexnotgender · 11/02/2019 18:59

And then saw this in the comments Sad

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vaginafetishist · 11/02/2019 19:04

Fucking hell.

SonicVersusGynaephobia · 11/02/2019 19:28

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QuintadiMalago · 11/02/2019 19:29

Oh shit poor child

Ereshkigal · 11/02/2019 19:32

Shocking. Poor kid.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 11/02/2019 19:32

Sorry but he’s not a little girl. He’s a boy who likes dresses. He may well be gay, or not.

Who do some people feel they’d rather say ‘the child was born on the wrong body but we ‘fixed’ it with drugs and lies, then some surgery, more drugs, a lifetime of therapy, sterility, a lifetime of wondering if we did the right thing...’ than ‘this is our boy Bill - we assume he will/is gay but that’s cool’?

Daughterofmabel · 11/02/2019 19:34

Omg i despair. In case anyones interested channel 4 tonight 'the making of me' 3 stories about changing gender

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 11/02/2019 19:41

I saw the promo. It lots like it’s mostly men: ‘mememememememememememememe look at ME!!’

OlennasWimple · 11/02/2019 19:41
RedFeltHeart · 11/02/2019 19:58

Judging by these standards, both of my children are 'trans'.

Except that neither of them are.

My son is a man who likes to wear make up/nail polish on occasion and my daughter is a girl who, fed up of the pink/gender overload, often chooses her clothes from the "boys'" section.

In their primary years, they both ticked as many stereotyped 'boy' traits as they did 'girl' traits. Because they were kids.

AngelaStorm73 · 11/02/2019 20:08

What time @Daughterofmabel

AngelaStorm73 · 11/02/2019 20:11

Ps. My son loves tutus and sequins
This is normal
My entirely heterosexual non trans brothers also had a tutus and sequins phase many years ago Shock
(Actually most of the well adjusted heterosexual non trans adult males I know are perfectly comfortable wearing a dress for the night because of freshers week etc. So 🤷🏻‍♀️)

ADropofReality · 11/02/2019 20:54

2017: This is my son Cian and he is a five-year-old boy... Some days he says he wants to be a girl with a vagina and we simply tell him, “When you’re an adult, you can certainly make the decision to change to that if you wish”. He’s 5.

www.boredpanda.com/my-son-cian-yes-my-son-who-wears-dresses/?utm_source=upworthy&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=organic

2018: Last week, Keeyan (formally spelled Cian) came to us and made clear her wishes to identify as a girl 👸🏼 from now on.

www.instagram.com/p/BgkKrW_lViv/

I would like to ask the parents, what changed? Why did the little boy happy to wear dresses with supportive parents announce he wanted to identify as a girl?

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 11/02/2019 21:06

2017: This is my son Cian and he is a five-year-old boy... Some days he says he wants to be a girl with a vagina and we simply tell him...
‘You’re a boy, darling. You are just perfect as you are! A boy can do almost things a girl can!’

There you go, problem solved on 2017. No drugs, lies or surgery requires. Send my huuuuuuuge fee to Dr.....

RedFeltHeart · 11/02/2019 21:13

Why would a 5 year old boy be saying he wants a vagina? Where would he even have got that idea from?

At 5, no one really gives a shit about their genitals or understands the biological reasons for the difference. Having a vagina would mean absolutely nothing to a 5 year old boy because it means fuck all to a 5 year old girl.

My friend's daughter tells everyone she wants a willy because she thinks the idea of standing up to wee sounds far easier and quicker than sitting down and all that entails.

I can follow the logic in that. What possible reason would a 5 year old boy have for wanting a vagina that hadn't been put into his head by an adult? He won't even know what one is.

EstherMumsnet · 11/02/2019 21:25

Hi all,

We understand that this story has been on lots of social media sites today and why people want to discuss it, but just a reminder that this is a real child being spoken about and that we try where possible to make parents' lives easier so please bear this in mind when posting.

Daughterofmabel · 12/02/2019 08:28

AngelaStorm73
sorry, Iv only just seen this. It was in at 10. I expect it will be on catch up. I haven't seen it yet. Got high blood pressure!

calpop · 12/02/2019 08:35

God how ridiculous. He's a non gc little boy. He might grow up to be non gc, he might grow up to be gay or it might just be a phase. Why would you choose the drastic option of trying to make him into a girl, based on zero scientific evidence that anyone is born "wrong". He was just bbirn non gc/gay! Clearly parents who cant handle having a gay child. Who would do something so drastic based on what a 5 year old told them! My 7 year old keeps telling me he wants to be a lion. I bought him a lion onesie, I didn't inject him with lion hormones or stick fur on him.

ClaraMatilda · 12/02/2019 09:04

Apart from anything else, I don't understand the change from Cian to Keeyan. 'Keeyan' isn't a girls' name, so it isn't that. Just looks like a phonetic attempt at writing Cian. Confused

worstofbothworlds · 12/02/2019 09:10

This has happened with a child I know - very similar situation.
What has changed, I think, in his case, is that either a) he wanted to wear dresses at school but was worried he'd be teased if he was a boy doing that or possibly in addition b) estranged dad didn't want a son who wore dresses. (I know the first is true and I know dad is estranged but I don't know dad's thoughts on this).

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 12/02/2019 09:15

Boy wears dress to school - gets teased, bullied and called names.

Boy goes to school in a dress and says he is a girl now - everyone tells them how wonderful and special they are (and are shit scared to tell them that they actually aren’t a girl).

Oxytocindeficient · 12/02/2019 09:37

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Oxytocindeficient · 12/02/2019 11:10

Oh ffs

Bebstar123 · 12/02/2019 11:22

(Actually most of the well adjusted heterosexual non trans adult males I know are perfectly comfortable wearing a dress for the night because of freshers week etc. So 🤷🏻‍♀️)

When I was writing LGBT policy drafts back in the day, one of the areas I had to query was the idea that an unconscious person arriving at A&E should be treated/accommodated according to the gender they present.

Me: "So how does that work with say stag parties, fresher's week and Halloween where men often dress in drag? Or a woman presenting in jeans and big coat?

Executive Committee: Ermmm....???

ImFineThankYouSusan · 12/02/2019 11:32

When you’re an adult, you can certainly make the decision to change to that if you wish

Why on earth would you tell a 5yo that?!

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