How British feminism became anti-trans - according to the New York Times

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www.nytimes.com/2019/02/07/opinion/terf-trans-women-britain.html

A surprisingly mainstream movement of feminists known as TERFs oppose transgender rights as a symptom of “female erasure.”

Beginning to suspect the writer has a bias...

There, the most vocal trans-exclusionary voices are, ostensibly, “feminist” ones, and anti-trans lobbying is a mainstream activity. Case in point: Ms. Parker told the podcast “Feminist Current” that she’d changed her thinking on trans women after spending time on Mumsnet, a site where parents exchange tips on toilet training and how to get their children to eat vegetables. If such a place sounds benign, consider the words of British writer Edie Miller: “Mumsnet is to British transphobia,” she wrote “what 4Chan is to American fascism.”

The term coined to identify women like Ms. Parker and Ms. Long is TERF, which stands for Trans-Exclusionary Radical Feminist. In Britain, TERFs are a powerful force. If, in the United States, the mainstream media has been alarmingly ready to hear “both sides” on the question of trans people’s right to exist, in Britain, TERFs have effectively succeeded in framing the question of trans rights entirely around their own concerns: that is, how these rights for others could contribute to “female erasure.”

Oh, that is good! How very well done of them.

Point missed by a mile, and then some.

[slow hand clap for the NYTimes]

Yes we are terrible for being concerned about the safety of girls and women

Feminism that concentrates on the needs of women. Who could imagine such a thing eh?

Gawd us terfs. Awful awful

The Guardian published an editorial on potential changes to a law called the Gender Recognition Act, which would allow people in Britain to self-define their gender. The editorial was headlined “Where Rights Collide,” and argued that “women’s concerns about sharing dormitories or changing rooms with ‘male-bodied’ people must be taken seriously.”

Well, shouldn't they be? What's the deal with not listening to women? Not very feminist there, Ms Lewis.

A powerful force, eh? They keep saying stuff like this with a straight face while AWAs set up camp in the upper echelons of every political party, hoover up government funding and hold sway over a number of big corporations and SM.

Extra points for getting in "trans people’s right to exist".

Tips on toilet training and getting children to eat vegetables is a change from the nappies and prams, I suppose

Well done. I imagine there are more than a few readers that will have read, The editorial was headlined “Where Rights Collide,” and argued that ”women’s concerns about sharing dormitories or changing rooms with ‘male-bodied’ people must be taken seriously.“* and went, ‘well actually! I can see where they’re coming from’. So that’s brilliant. A possible home goal, I think! 😁

Mumsnet, a site where parents exchange tips on toilet training and how to get their children to eat vegetables.

If your contempt for women is so comprehensive, it's unsurprising that you think they shouldn't have any rights.

Isn't this a repeat of an old blog post?

Heck I missed that bit on toilet training
She outta go to kiwi farms

Or style and beauty. Or even baby names. Scarred for ever

I just wonder if ms Lewis wrote that and just a wee flicker of doubt flashed through her mind whilst writing it

Yeah I think we have seen it before. But not sure

Not sure captain, but if so it's been updated to include Posie Parker's recent visit to America.

A possible home goal, I think!

It's happening a lot, like the threads people start then post on twitter, which attract people to read the thread and information in it, which makes people sign up.

Oh yeah. That’s ms Parker

The NY Times usually has a comments section on its opinion pieces: strange there isn't one on this one. Might the editorial team be afraid of what their readers might say

I agree its an own girl, because there wiil be plenty of women who haven’t given it much thought reading that who are alerted to the effect on women’s rights. Are we sure it isn’t a guerilla GC article?

Colour me surprised that people who have become parents tend to know about sex, and care about children.

It just drives more traffic to MN.

Toilet training and vegetables. The only type of thing women who are mothers would want to talk about.

Well, it shows that the author hasn't ever actually been on MN and has a deeply misogynistic attitude towards women who happen to have children.

I do wonder if the shock of coming to this site and seeing actual women and not stereotypes is a bit much for some?

Mumsnet is to British transphobia,” she wrote “what 4Chan is to American fascism

This made me laugh. The hyperbole

This is the author: twitter.com/reproutopia?s=09

It's your girl, dunking on England, empire and trans-women-exclusionary radical pseudofeminists in America's paper of record

What surprise. A person who thinks MN is full of transphobia also fully swallows and regurgitates damaging stereotypes about women who have children. Knock me over with a feather.

Seems the author has a new book coming out. Sounds like a very feminist title. Not.

Sophie Lewis, a feminist theorist and geographer, is the author of the forthcoming “Full Surrogacy Now.”