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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

I'm not sure why I don't feel comfortable

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Rorshach · 06/02/2019 23:03

Trying to keep this short someone I know has just had gender reassignment surgery to be a man and is now talking about getting a surrogate so they can have a child.

I don't know whether I'm being irrational or whether this is still a very Male mind set of "I'll get a woman to do it" sorry if this is ridiculous.

OP posts:
Whatsnewpussyhat · 06/02/2019 23:07

If they wanted a baby so badly they should've used their female body to carry one themselves.

Rorshach · 06/02/2019 23:24

Sorry I meant WOMAN they have become a woman from a man.

OP posts:
Rorshach · 06/02/2019 23:25

I'm very useless. Chemo brain. Sorry. MTF

OP posts:
BrassBellsAndElephants · 06/02/2019 23:28

They haven't become a woman. They have become a facsimile of one.

I would feel the same as you.

failingatlife · 06/02/2019 23:29

Thanks for clarification! I agree it is a very male attitude. I wouldn't be able to support anyone I knew doing this. Human bodies should not be for rent.

NineInchSnail · 06/02/2019 23:31

This would make me feel uncomfortable too. I don't think I would want to be friends with someone who wants to buy or rent access to women's bodies like this.

newtlover · 06/02/2019 23:33

nor me
ask them to read/watch the Handmaids Tale

Oxytocindeficient · 07/02/2019 06:55

I’m not supportive of surrogacy at all. Yes it uses women like incubators, it’s also unfair to intentionally create a child to be separated from its mother. Nobody is entitled to a child.

HappyPunky · 07/02/2019 07:03

I'm not comfortable with it either. It takes a lot of intervention to get to the point of removing a baby at birth from a mother who is unsafe so to plan and do it deliberately feels very unfair on the baby.

There are other options such as entering into a Co parenting relationship with a female friend who wants a baby.

No one has the right to another person, either a baby or the use of their body.

FlyingOink · 07/02/2019 07:12

I’m not supportive of surrogacy at all. Yes it uses women like incubators, it’s also unfair to intentionally create a child to be separated from its mother. Nobody is entitled to a child.
This.
OP your acquaintance might however be just fantasising. It's not the easiest thing to arrange, and if it's soon after a major op, it could be their way of self-soothing and/or building up the next target to aim for.
GRS is this person's whole world for so long and then... it's done so what next?

Beamur · 07/02/2019 08:02

www.bbc.co.uk/news/resources/idt-sh/surrogates

Article on BBC website today. Commercial surrogacy increasingly being banned in countries where it used to be allowed.

merrymouse · 07/02/2019 08:15

I think the issue is voluntarily taking steps to stop a healthy body functioning, but assuming that somebody else will go through all the trauma of pregnancy because of altruism.

Perhaps the reasons for your 'chemo' brain make you more appreciative of good health. Good luck with the treatment Flowers.

Babdoc · 07/02/2019 08:16

Having the surgery doesn’t tend to make transgender people any happier. They still have the high incidence of mental health issues they started with. I suspect your friend is dissatisfied that he still hasn’t actually “become a woman”, and is wondering whether having a child and playing a “mummy” role will help the fantasy.
If he wanted a child, he should have fathered one with his own sperm while he still had functioning testes.
His attitude to surrogacy certainly still smacks of male entitlement.
I think it’s very sad that men with gender dysphoria are being encouraged to think that a sex change is possible. It’s not, and mutilating these poor chaps is not doing them any favours. We should be abolishing gender stereotypes, not reinforcing them, so that men are accepted in dresses and lipstick if that makes them happy, without having to pretend they’re really women.

merrymouse · 07/02/2019 08:17

It's not the easiest thing to arrange, and if it's soon after a major op, it could be their way of self-soothing and/or building up the next target to aim for.

I agree with this. It's very easy to talk about the possibility of using a surrogate. Much less easy in practice.

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