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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Government funds free Stonewall training for primary schools

37 replies

OrchidInTheSun · 02/02/2019 12:04

www.stonewall.org.uk/free-stonewall-training-primary-schools

They are offering this to 100 schools in selected areas (their knowledge of geography is a wee bit shaky but they are across the UK).

They say "As part of this Government Equalities Office funded project, we can offer you:

A two-hour twilight INSET on preventing and tackling homophobic, biphobic and transphobic bullying for all staff
A two-hour working group meeting on celebrating difference and creating an inclusive curriculum, to be attended by a range of staff including a member of SLT and staff responsible for pastoral care
A one-hour consultation on ensuring school policies are inclusive
A one-hour session on either of the following topics: training for support staff on tackling HBT bullying and language; or support for SLT on working with parents"

Remember, the gender questioning child should get whatever they want and that Stonewall will misinterpret the Equality Act (which they want overturned) however they want. This is from their Guide for Schools to Supporti LGBT YP : "Toilets and changing rooms A trans young person may wish to use the toilets and changing rooms of their self-identified gender rather than of their assigned sex. Schools should make sure that a trans student is supported to do so and be aware that this is a legal requirement under the Equality Act."

They've also quoted the 45% dodgy suicide stat on their website. So glad this is where government funding is going Angry

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OvaHere · 02/02/2019 12:33

If you’re a primary school where more than 14% of your pupils are eligible for Pupil Premium, and if you’re in one of the following areas, you could qualify for free Stonewall training:

So they're specifically targeting low income areas. This really bothers me because children in these areas are often dealing with quite a lot as it is. The last thing girls from low SE groups need is unisex toilets and lack of privacy foisted on them.

I live in such an area and trans stuff just isn't on the radar at my kids school. I'm grateful for that but also aware it's most likely because the school has much bigger issues, teen pregnancy, violence and assault, drugs etc..

CowGirlWoman · 02/02/2019 12:42

Trying to use up funding and train recruit cult members as quickly as possible before further understanding of the Scottish LGBT policy and training breach of the 11 UN convention of the rights of the child are understood.

There are parents in Birmingham that are creating a movement in backlash against LGBT compulsory sex education in schools. One Mother was upset that her Reception aged daughter came home after a session, put on boys clothes and announced she is a boy. The Guardian and BBC are more focused on the homosexual comments made by parents in reports.

My personal opinion is that sex education should be saved for the last term of year six and focus on boundaries and menstruation. I would save in depth sex education for GCSE biology, reproduction and avoiding STIs, then have a small safety side lesson.

I don't understand why these Teachers are so sex obsessed and feel they need to flaunt such a personal activity on other people's children it's concerning the obsession that Brimingham Teacher has with sex acts no matter what the sexuality, it's breaching common decency in my opinion.

CowGirlWoman · 02/02/2019 12:55

www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1081155/LGBT-news-park-field-community-school-birmingham

“Sex relationship education is being taught without our consent. We’ve not been informed about what’s being taught.

"Mr Moffat is running what’s called CHIPS – challenging homophobia in primary schools – and it’s totally against Islamic beliefs.

"My child came home and told me am I OK to be a boy? It’s confusing children about sexuality.

The parents seem to understand trans as a sexuality.

This isn't the first school this teacher has conflicted with parents. He seems to have a MO believe that he has priority over the religious, philosophical and political education of these children than the people who have parental rights and responsibility for these children.

JazzyBBG · 02/02/2019 12:57

It would be helpful if the government could focus on acting upon Ofsteds advice and stop things such as boys and girls being segregated at lunch in a Muslim school in Birmingham instead of giving air time to these cretins.

Olgatheoptimist · 02/02/2019 13:00

Thats very worrying. But in these days of cash strapped schools and overworked staff they will probably take it as its free. I hate Stonewall with a passion. Has everyone signed that petition against the garbage are they are peddling?

OldCrone · 02/02/2019 13:15

Stonewall and the people in schools pushing this agenda need to read this article written by a gay man.

quillette.com/2019/01/31/homophobia-and-the-modern-trans-movement/

But the way we discuss trans people shows that we have not truly given up on the idea of pathologizing effeminate men. The old paradigm presented effeminate men as homosexuals who could be cured of their sexual desires. The new paradigm presents effeminate boys as children who can be cured by declaring them girls. And since we have (falsely) decided that their sexuality is irrelevant because they are children and because gender has no relationship to sexuality, proponents can make their case without discussing the off-putting issue of sexual urges. Each child must be raised according to what the child perceives to be their “true gender.”

Children who haven’t gone through puberty lack perspective on the ultimate consequences—both psychological and physical—of their choices. Moreover, since gender and sexuality are linked in real life, it is difficult for any person to understand their identity as a human being (never mind the more narrow category of gender identity) without first experiencing post-adolescent sexual desire.

If someone had told me as a child that I could actually be a little girl, I would have jumped at the chance. Anything to escape the pressure cooker of an active boyhood crammed full of sports and rough play.

Thread here
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3496512-Homophobia-and-the-Modern-Trans-Movement

NeurotrashWarrior · 02/02/2019 13:52

"aware that this is a legal requirement under the Equality Act."

How can it be though? EA is for transsexual people. Not children.

I don't think they have this right. And it would make many staff uneasy. I'm certain we follow guidelines from somewhere else regarding sex segregation when changing from year 4.

OrchidInTheSun · 02/02/2019 13:52

Thanks for the link Crone. Haven't read that thread yet. Will take a look now Smile

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NeurotrashWarrior · 02/02/2019 13:53

I need to get a transgender trend pack. I'm sure this has been clarified before.

OrchidInTheSun · 02/02/2019 13:54

It's not true Neuro. They are deliberately misrepresenting the EA

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NeurotrashWarrior · 02/02/2019 13:58

These are the two resources written by Moffat on Trans awareness. I have mixed feelings and object to a few bits in the lesson plans and choices of books/ within the books. Over all I like the rest of the resources; there's an emphasis on homophobia however.

equalitiesplans.blogspot.com/2016/10/transgender-awareness-ks2-3-10000.html?m=1

Book:

equalitiesplans.blogspot.com/2016/10/transgender-awareness-ks1.html?m=1

Book

McTufty · 02/02/2019 14:09

This makes my blood boil. I am so in favour of supporting schools to deal with homophobic/transphobic bullying etc. I really want to be able to bang the Stonewall drum like I used to. However some of their aims are vile. Their level of analysis is whatever validates the identity of a trans person must happen.

And I am an employment lawyer, fairly certain that is not what the Equality Act says.

silentcrow · 02/02/2019 15:08

Deeply worrying. My school's experience is of being thrown into a tailspin when we simultaneously had a young child dealing with a family member's transition, plus another child who'd watched an awful lot of YouTube unsupervised. We're just a little school in a working-class backwater, we don't even have kids with gay or lesbian parents as far as I know, and suddenly we had the real threat of contagion to cope with. It's sheer luck I even heard about the situation, let alone that I also knew about Transgender Trend and was able to signpost (and as far as I know we are now taking "watchful waiting" as our policy). As late as last April I'd have gone the Stonewall route too. I'll always be grateful to the friend who shared the link to A Women's Place and onwards to here.

I would say never make the assumption it won't touch your primary school. You don't know how many kids have unsupervised internet access, and you don't know what siblings are up at secondary schools or universities being dragged into social contagion. If you have an opportunity to get TT packs in there, do it asap.

lisamuggeridge · 02/02/2019 18:18

Is Aimee Challoner still advising Stonewall?

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 02/02/2019 18:23

I don't understand why there is so much focus on gender and sexuality in school. IN SCHOOL. Really - is there nothing else we should be teaching the children - nothing? Bit of science and maths maybe english, or even life skills (cooking, typing, DIY, internet safety, politics, philosophy...).

lisamuggeridge · 02/02/2019 18:25

I dont really know how to phrase this without annoying Mumsnet moderators, cos there is no way to state facts and what is in front of us using words only to describe that factually without it breaching moderation.
An organised network(stonewall, with key advisor names, do I have to include), with institutional backup, offering trans ideology in a way that undermines safeguarding and is consistent with patterns of grooming, with children clearly placed as objects in adult identities , in a manner likely to lead to harm to them and adult gratification.

I do not know how to phrase 'a clearly visible network of organised adults using trans ideology to undermine safeguarding and exploit and harm children' without annoying mumsnet mods but that is in fact what we keep discussing and what is clearly, in plain sight, not attempting to hide, with no need to hide if when what this is is stated clearly someone else will say y9ou cant say that. That is what this is.

RedemptiveCrocodile · 02/02/2019 18:28

This follows my pet theory; much of the ROGD I've seen or heard about is happening in middle class schools/areas. Stonewall is now focusing on financially strapped schools to hoover up the working class children.

OrchidInTheSun · 02/02/2019 18:28

Yep Lisa. Challenor sits on their trans advisory group. www.stonewall.org.uk/trans-advisory-group

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lisamuggeridge · 02/02/2019 18:30

Stonewall is now focusing on financially strapped schools to hoover up the working class children

Vulnerable children but more importantly powerless parents. Powerless parents who are more likelt to have hostile relationships with professionals that are not their fault, with a toolkit drawn from the allsorts toolkit which explicitly advised targeting special needs kids, and which was(I am describing a pattern factually Mumsnet mods) Grooming. It was grooming, it described and advised grooming, breaches of safeguarding and a pattern of relationships with children which would be commonly seen in any other third party as grooming with intet to exploit children and incite them to self harming behaviours for adult gratification.

FamilyOfAliens · 02/02/2019 18:32

I need to get a transgender trend pack. I'm sure this has been clarified before.

I’ve just ordered ten copies to take to a meeting where there will be other schools, voluntary agencies and health representatives. I’ve been given permission by the hosts of the meeting to bring the pack to share with colleagues.

I’ve agreed to report back to Transgendertrend about how it goes down. I will make sure I let people know that trans lobbying groups are trying to get into schools and deliver their biased and misleading training.

Wish me luck!

RedemptiveCrocodile · 02/02/2019 18:35

Good luck! I must do the same with my DC's schools. We live in one of the areas listed.

KatherinaMinola · 02/02/2019 18:36

"twilight INSET" is about right.

KatherinaMinola · 02/02/2019 18:37

Ba ha ha at the East Midlands! Yes, good thing they're not teaching geography.

Bowlofbabelfish · 02/02/2019 18:43

Vulnerable children but more importantly powerless parents

This. The crop of current policies aimed at driving wedges between the child and the parent is so worrying.

It is strongly networked. And I’d agree completely that it’s grooming. Of institutions, of individuals and of an entire generation. To have no boundaries, no ability to say no, and no power to stop it.

Stonewall aren’t short of cash. They have to know their wording on the equality act is wrong. They know. It’s deliberate.

lisamuggeridge · 02/02/2019 18:51

Babelfish That alosrts toolkit advised that parents may not be supportive so 'professionals' could bypass them, keep secrets, in same breath it advised TARGETING special needs kids as young as five. They do know by now that is the case, they do know by now their understanding of the equality act is wrong, they do know about the convictions and associations of MANY individuals. We do live in a country with established safeguarding frameworks which are published and not a problem for every other professional in the country. There is no possible way this can be anything but intentional. THis is not a narcissistic individual with no insight this is a government funded organisation with considerable media power at least. The question with safeguarding is who knew what when. There is no 'we didnt know here', Yes. Yes you did. Which leaves only htat this is deliberate and wilful.