UK mother convicted of FGM

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Posted in chat but thought it’s more a feminist issue. First person in the UK to be convicted of FGM, hopefully a push in the right direction but that poor little girl. How awful

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-47094707

Men wanting to marry a mutilated woman are at least as much part of the problem as paedophiles watching images of children being horribly abused. They are the consumer. The ‘market’. And fathers who know it is going on are accessories to a crime and in not reporting it are surely perverting tne coyrse if justice or whatever the crime is? How can you be not guilty if you know if s small child being hacked at, body parts cut off, and don’t report it?

As it happens, the father of this poor child was said in the radio to be Ghanaian, which is not, I think a country where FGM is commonly practiced? So he may not have been aware of the risk his Dd was facing.

Women wouldn’t be so keen to mutilate their daughters if they didn’t fear them being unmarriageable, so men are equally complicit.

This is being discussed on LBC now.
Some very interesting parallels in this situation. Particularly wrt Brent Council's determination to make FGM legal and the battle one lone female councillor had to overturn it.

West Midlands police actually announced that they would not investigate or prosecute this practice.

Good. I hope to see many more prosecutions. It's sickening that the UK authorities seem so powerless to protect girls from this fate.

Wow. The labour party is getting a hammering on LBC.
I have never heard this presenter before but he is very good.

Do you have a link to that about west midlands police?
What was their rationale?

It seems to be fashionable lately for polie forces to announce that they are not going to bother with certain things that are illegal, how do they have the power to do that?

West midlands police - fgm
One force or another - viewing images of child sexual abuse (too many can;t be bothered)
Met (cressida dick) - rape or sexual assault where the victim knows the assailant, and historical sex crimes presumably including CSA (low chance of conviction) (it was a comment and not as direct as that)

There is a THEME here can anybody spot what it is, huh?

And recently we see a man given a guilty verdict but having teh record wiped and no consequenes for abusing a girl for 2 years while she was 6-8 (he was 15-17, just curiosity apparently and no harm done FFS)
Man kill his partner in the most brutal way left to die at bottom of stairs, just a year or 2 not long at all, "she liked rough sex m'lud" "oh well ok then"
Man be allowed to pursue a woman through the courts for saying he tried to strangle her and that's libel (slander?) costing her enormous amounts of money, and the courts have so far sided with him. It is a matter of public record that he was abusive and did indeed try to strangle her, oh no sorry can;t say that as he SAYS he didn't intend to kill her...

Andd so on and so on

Are things going downhill or are these cases being reported more?

www.expressandstar.com/news/crime/2017/02/27/west-midlands-police-under-fire-over-fgm-tweets/

They backtracked.

Saying it might not be in the best interests of the child to prosecute for fgm is interesting.

On the one hand I can maybe see what they were trying to say
OTother hand this argument can and has been used with DV, CSA, other abuses within the family etc & so on
Maybe it is so far from UK cultural norms people have dififculty gettign their heads round it and understandign it as abuse in the same way a solid punch to the face would be, that broke the childs nose
FGM is much worse than that whatever way you look at it

More prosecutions not less and the POLICE should not fall into these sort of mental traps (hahahahha)

OK to be fair to add to the list above

The police won't come out here if your car is broken into

SO historic CSA, FGM, men murdering women they know while they have an erection, and CSA if the perpetrator has a marvellous future ahead of him (reminds me of brock turner same though processes) are seen as similar to having your window smashed of your car and a tin of werthers originals and some screenwash nicked

The problem that many councils and police forces have with FGM is that there are particular sectors of the community where there is a risk, and they are so damn scared of being deemed politically incorrect that they don't take effective action to stop girls being mutilated. Unless people are prepared to say things like "black girls whose parents come from Somalia are at high risk", they cannot hope to stop this.

Sorry, did I read that right?

Particularly wrt Brent Council's determination to make FGM legal

Somebody was trying to make mutilating little girls genitals legal? WTAF?

Yes I see that
However
As with the girls in rotherham etc
Where the claim was that nothing was done due to the ethnicity of the attackers
I think this is just an excuse
I think the real reason is
The "authorities" don't really care and can;t be arsed to do anything
It's simply not a priority
Girls in general are low value
And working class girls with possible difficult family lives (rotherham)
And girls from various countries in Africa where FGM is the norm
Are even lower down the list

Unless people are prepared to say things like "black girls whose parents come from Somalia are at high risk"

And WTAF would you NOT be prepared to say this? Did we learn nothing from Rotherham and inappropriate use of the ‘cultural sensitivities’ bollocks?

Abuse is abuse and paedophilia is paedophilia and not being prepared to tackle it in some cultures is fucking racist and gives the far right ammo.

NothingOnTellyAgain yes you have a point, good old fashioned sexism and misogyny.

It’s also imo racist not to tackle it.

Because if a Christian white kid who was British was subjected to it, you can bet action would be taken. By saying ‘but culture’ we admit that the lives, safety, and health of black children is considered lesser. And that’s not Ok.

Excusing the inexcusable by using culture as an excuse IS racist. There’s no two ways about it. Either the law applies equally to everyone or we are saying some kids are not worth protection.

This is an issue that needs delicacy within communities, no doubt, but it also needs the law to be applied

yes

rotherham et al it was a mix of classism and misogyny

This is a combination of misogyny and racism

The police don't care abotu these cildren

BUT I have never really trusted the polcie since experiences as a teen

They are there to protect the interests of their paymasters
Nothing more nothing less

Bowlofbabelfish thank you for saying what I meant, sensitively and without the swearing

"Because if a Christian white kid who was British was subjected to it, you can bet action would be taken."

Girls in rotherham etc were tortured, branded etc
Police not interested

I dont' think it's true

A middle class white girl yes maybe
But middle class white families are VERY good at gettign away with abuse, knowing how not to come to attention of the authorities

Of course this is racist
However
I'm not convinced they give a toss about girls generally TBH

Frankly, the swearing is justified.

Yeah, middle class white kid. Jesus it’s all so depressing isn't it?

I feel like our ability to protect our children os being undermined left right and centre

OR is it only now being reported and it's always been this way or worse but we didn't know?

In general maybe

The getting off (more or less) for murdering women as long as oyu had an erection while you did it, and CSA stuff is worse than before I think.

This is the first prosection. So terribel it took so long but hpefully things are changing?

Brent Council debates the idea 20 years ago and it was defeated. They are not trying to legalise it now.

My point about Brent Council was that the only person who opposed them was a single, lone woman who had to fight to be heard. I can't remember her name, but she was named on the programme. She was shouted down and vilified by the mostly male council members but she stuck to her guns.

I am ill and can't sleep. I woke up with several thoughts going round in my head.
We have domestic violence being legalised in Russia, men campaigning for a reduction in the age of consent in the UK and France, men pushing for the erasure of safe spaces for women and the removal of safeguarding for children, men getting away with murder by saying it was rough sex gone wrong, hideously violent pornography being normalised.
Paedophile gangs preying on vulnerable children.
Police deciding that thought crime is more important than stalking and violence.
Only one conviction for the illegal mutilation of little girls in 20 years.

Thank goodness there are brave women willing to speak out. But it seems that no sooner is one battle won, something else takes its place.

www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/man-arrested-over-suspected-female-genital-mutilation-in-dublin-1.2804531?mode=amp

First case in Ireland that I've heard of. And nothing, I mean NOTHING from the aggressively woke, pro "sex-work", trans-fawning libfems. Just moral cowardice.