John Hopkins psychiatrist - Transgender is a medical disorder

[Trinity1976]

I can't find a thread about this. Apologies if it has already been posted. The chap seems to have good credentials. I hope it encourages others in the medical and psychiatric professions to speak out.

bbc-edition.com/2019/01/27/lgbt-community-outraged-as-john-hopkins-psychiatrist-says-that-being-transgender-is-a-mental-disorder-and-sex-changes-are-biologically-impossible/?fbclid=IwAR2UndsdXJGZ987G-60DfW6_-UcmaNeEqKAupPZdR1koO-MwsfbYrxDdB7o

Is this recent?

Looks like it was from 2015

www.cnsnews.com/news/article/michael-w-chapman/johns-hopkins-psychiatrist-transgender-mental-disorder-sex-change

It is dated 27th January 2019.

Awesome piece, although some of the religious anti-gay comments below...bleurgh

Must have been rehashed recently then. Shame.

[[http://www.slowlyboiledfrog.com/2019/01/for-smart-woman.html This may boil blood] essentially dismisses every doctor who objects on the basis they're religious crackpots

oops missed a bracket www.slowlyboiledfrog.com/2019/01/for-smart-woman.html

PSA: Before I comment on the article, could I please ask people not to share stuff from these kind of batsh*t right-wing US sites? They thrive on clicks and pageviews. So, if you can, search instead for the original article and share that.
Thank you.

The article is actually from 2016: hub.jhu.edu/2016/09/29/gender-sexuality-report-response/ But a search on his name shows that he's still getting a bashing for it, from all the usual suspects.
According to his Wikipedia article, he's been against transgender surgery since 1979! en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_R._McHugh#Gender,_sexuality_and_sex_reassignment_surgery

I've read other articles by this psychiatrist who has been saying the same kind of thing for 10-20 years. The trans lobby dismiss his opposition and consider him an elderly extremist.

Sigh. Recent output from the CDC on trans youth

This has some interesting stats, and some glaring holes
-They claim the prevalence of transgenderism is around 2% amongst high school students. This is obviously self reported but it indicates a large scale issue. Trying to find a way to word this but it also, IMO, should be causing huge questions to be asked; is the claim really that there is something (which we cannot identify) which is causing 2% of people to be "born in the wrong body"? Why is nobody looking at these numbers and asking WTF? Why is research in this area so actively discouraged

-They cite high attempted suicide stats (usual for this group, obviously self reported and so extremely hard to validate)

-and then there's this "The reported prevalence of all experiences assessing violence victimization was higher among transgender students than among both cisgender males and cisgender females, including 23.8% reporting ever being forced to have sexual intercourse and 26.4% having experienced physical dating violence " but what there is no analysis of is when these events happened - i.e. did they happen before or after the individual started to identify as trans. The concept that there may be a reaction to abuse which causes people to reject their sex isn't exactly a crazy one.

These stats are horrendous, but the general response of "that's why you must validate our identity, acceptance without exception, give puberty blockers now" is an insane response when there is no understanding of why this happens. There seems to be an implicit assumption that being trans is the cause of all these other issues (bullying, risk taking, drugs, suicide risk, etc) rather than a consideration that these might be risk factors for becoming trans

I found some other more recent interviews by him, so I think that whilst the research is older he's still speaking about it now

^PSA: Before I comment on the article, could I please ask people not to share stuff from these kind of batsh*t right-wing US sites? They thrive on clicks and pageviews. So, if you can, search instead for the original article and share that.
Thank you.^

I had no idea that the site was a "batsh*t right-wing US site". I just read and linked the article. Bbc-edition.com hardly gives it away does it?

Even if I had, so what? I didn't realise we had a rule against posting articles from right-wing sites. There was a discussion about this in relation to Daily Mail articles just a few days ago.

Bbc-edition.com hardly gives it away does it? That's the intention - it's a common tactic of fake news sites. You see the BBC in the title and think you're getting the truth.
And didn't you take in what I said about giving them clicks? Don't you understand that evry click is money to these scammers?

"This has some interesting stats, and some glaring holes"

So that study is for the USA.
In 2017 the population of the US was 326 million. I am assuming high school means 11 to 17 year olds, so that would mean roughly 36 million, meaning around 720,000 for the 2% stat. That would also mean that 35% attempting suicide would be 252,000.
I assume that a suicide attempt would involve emergency services to be called and a trip to hospital?

www.statista.com/statistics/241488/population-of-the-us-by-sex-and-age/

This next link shows the suicides by age for 2016 in the USA, and for 10 to 14 there were 436. The next band is for 15 to 24, so I am going to take one third of the figure quoted which would be 1905.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_in_the_United_States

This leads me to conclude that the attempted suicide stats for the tiny 2% demographic are being grossly exagerated.

And this is the thing with the trans suicide stats. There was another poster who searched through all the coroner records and verified that (for the UK) there is absolute blatant scaremongering.

When it's such a core issue that is used to push the TRA agenda forward - the concept that anything other than blind acceptance leads to deaths - then it needs to be properly verifiable. It's not.

"You see the BBC in the title and think you're getting the truth."

The article is mostly quotes from the psychiatrist.

"And didn't you take in what I said about giving them clicks? Don't you understand that every click is money to these scammers?"

People say the same thing about the Daily Mail. If you are clairvoyant enough to know that they are 'scammers' simply from the web address, by all means don't click.

"When it's such a core issue that is used to push the TRA agenda forward - the concept that anything other than blind acceptance leads to deaths - then it needs to be properly verifiable. It's not."

I totally agree, from what I have seen so far most of the stats put forward by the TRA are just not true, yet the media, politicians and more worryingly the police, seem to take everything they say at face value.

I no longer assume that the BBC is telling the truth.

Me neither. I've disliked the BBC for quite a while.

Thanks OP
V interesting article

In 2017 the population of the US was 326 million. I am assuming high school means 11 to 17 year olds,

High school age in America is 14-18 years of age, so an even smaller cohort.