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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

transgender woman splits a stranger’s face with a logging axe

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BorneBackCeaselesslyIntoThePas · 27/01/2019 19:31

“Transgender patient Evie Amati was sentenced to nine years and will be eligible for parole in four-and-a-half years for the 2017 attack in a 7-Eleven store in Enmore, New South Wales, Australia, a suburb of the east coast metropolis of Sydney.

Amati walked into the store carrying a two-handed logging ax and approached victim Ben Rimmer, who was standing in line by the checkout counter. Video surveillance of the sneak attack shows the wannabe killer engaging Rimmer in a short conversation, then hauling off and slamming the sharp ax head directly into the victim’s face.”

(Warning, graphic images)

www.news.com.au/national/courts-law/she-nearly-cut-my-head-in-half-evie-amati-axe-victim-ben-rimmer-breaks-silence/news-story/bc240cd9c7833474c1051b67a125906d

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ToeToToe · 28/01/2019 00:27

Amati's sex change op was 2012. Is dilation of a neovagina required forever after?

I believe so, otherwise it heals up. The body is an amazing thing, it's very, very difficult to cheat nature.

Begs the question, did Amati claim the pain was a constant thing, to be used as a mitigation for the crime? Because I've seen the footage, and the person swinging that axe did not appear to suffering any physical pain at the time. Put it this way, I can't imagine, say, a woman who had just given birth being able to swing an axe like that.

ToeToToe · 28/01/2019 00:30

I don't understand the lenient sentence. It is clear that this was premeditated, Amati acts with clear violent intent, and had threatened to "kill a lot of people".

transgender woman splits a stranger’s face with a logging axe
AngryAttackKittens · 28/01/2019 00:46

That reads as a clear intent to try to kill again if released. Is there any crime for which being trans doesn't make you teflon?

womanformallyknownaswoman · 28/01/2019 04:10

Their barrister has been accused multiple times of sexual assault and harassment as well as having declared bankruptcy more than once to avoid taxes - so he knows how to get off scot free

AngryAttackKittens · 28/01/2019 08:06

It's like arsehole magnetism - terrible people always find each other.

Oxytocindeficient · 28/01/2019 08:25

her lawyer argued her transgender operation caused her immense pain and contributed to her later trying to kill strangers.

So on one hand TRA’s talk about how important hormones and surgery are for their wellness, and on the other hand we get lawyers saying it’s making at least one trans person want to kill people.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 28/01/2019 08:58

Maybe it was PMT? I mean whouch woman doesn’t want to take a baseball bat or an axe to a shop full of people? 🙄

StealthPolarBear · 28/01/2019 09:00

What a horribly violent crime

Katispancuddly · 28/01/2019 09:04

fekko Grin

Thingybob · 28/01/2019 12:55

It's basically saying if you had a hard life you're more dangerous, because there's some justification in your past for violent outbursts

I find this the most insulting narrative that keeps being repeated, i.e that the struggles, history and lived experience of a transwoman is the most awful existence imaginable and their difficulties will trump everyone elses.

An example of the 'trauma' experienced by this person was given by the defence. They spoke of an incident that had happened in this persons youth when on one occasion her father had literally kicked her up the bum when she was arguing with a sister. Ok that may have upset them, and hurt a bit, but is that really the worst thing that could ever happen to anyone during their childhood?

Having known so many inspirational children and adults who have lived through so many extreme experiences (terminal illnesses, horrific abuse, congenital or acquired disabilities, severe disfigurements, excruciating mental anguish etc), it's an insult to expect anyone to prioritise the 'suffering' of this attacker.

They got the surgery and treatment they wanted, they had a supportive family, they came from a privileged background, they were extremely intelligent and were born white, male and able bodied.Their 'suffering' came no where near the suffering I've seen in other people nor the suffering they must have inflicted on their victims.

Incidentally no one I've known has ever used their suffering as a reason to take an axe to someone!

FlyingOink · 28/01/2019 14:45

Incidentally no one I've known has ever used their suffering as a reason to take an axe to someone!
Exactly. But the overuse of this tired excuse is more than insulting to people who have suffered.
I think generally people want a reason for bad things that have happened. If someone does something unspeakably evil, we need to know it's because they are crazy, or because something happened in their past. We huff and puff and say that it's no excuse etc. But it comforts us in a way, because the alternative is that anyone of us is capable of similar.
That's a scary thought.
I recognised it after this case and the reaction to it: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyle_and_Erik_Menendez
Two men who had everything and still killed their parents. No hardship, no poverty, no abuse, just evil. They even made up an abuse story after spending a million dollars of their dead parents' money. SNL even did a skit about how unbelievable they were:

good article on full story

Beerflavourednipples · 28/01/2019 14:50

Hang on, has this bloke been sent to a women's prison?!

Hoppinggreen · 28/01/2019 14:51

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womanformallyknownaswoman · 28/01/2019 14:53

Hang on, has this bloke been sent to a women's prison?!

Yep can confirm. And also they are already acting out - trying to get more info....

Beerflavourednipples · 28/01/2019 14:55

Holy shit! I read about this the other day and really thought they would send him to the men's........ How naive of me.

Sexnotgender · 28/01/2019 14:57

Of course they went to a women’s prison.

Scumbag. They should be doing life on the male estate.

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Drogosnextwife · 28/01/2019 15:30

Of course he was sent to a woman's prison, god forbid his trans rights be overlooked. Disgusting individual.

MargueritaPink · 28/01/2019 23:03

I'm in awe at Ben Rimmer's presence of mind after the attack.

AngryAttackKittens · 28/01/2019 23:12

Yeah, I don't know that I'd be thinking coherently enough to take off a shirt and use it to stem the bloodflow. Can you imagine seeing people express sympathy for the person who did that to you and then seeing them get such a pathetically light sentence?

Jenny17 · 28/01/2019 23:18

Did anyone peep it was the rejection from the tinder date that probably pushed them to the attack.

AngryAttackKittens · 28/01/2019 23:33

Oh yeah. Whoever that woman is, if she's seen the news stories she must be terrified about how close a call that was.

frazzled1 · 29/01/2019 09:10

Did anyone peep it was the rejection from the tinder date that probably pushed them to the attack.

That's what struck me. From www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11848685

Crown Prosecutor Jot Mehta, who opposed bail, told the court that following the failed date, Amati had said on Facebook Messenger that she was worried the woman had found her ugly, did not make eye contact and may not have known she was transgender.

No eye contact from the date?.... Can't help wondering how the date felt - assuming she wanted a same sex relationship yet found herself on a date with Amati.

AngryAttackKittens · 29/01/2019 09:17

Even on a date with someone I found ugly I wouldn't avoid eye contact. I might avoid eye contact with someone who scared me.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 29/01/2019 09:18

I’d be scared if I was expecting a woman and this person turned up.