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Women's Liberation Front petition to Stonewall and others

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BarryHumphriesWardrobeAdvisor · 26/01/2019 15:02

Just received an email from WOLF (the Women's Liberation Front) asking me to sign a petition which they are sending to various LGB organisations asking for fairer treatment of women and the use of objective science in the trans debate.

The petition is excellent - it's comprehensive and clear (and rather a long read!), and the paragraphs have headings like "Misuse of science," "Misuse of suicide statistics," "Cosmetic sterilisation of healthy children," "Lesbian and gay erasure," and "Transing the dead & historical revision"... Basically, all the points I would like to make, stated far more clearly and articulately than I could ever manage!

WOLF are an American organisation but they are targeting LGB campaigners around the world, including Stonewall and Pink News. Here's the link, for anyone who wants to add their name to it!
womensliberationfront.nationbuilder.com/declaration-of-no-confidence?recruiter_id=1891

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feministfairy · 26/01/2019 15:22

Wow! They are indeed stating everything that I'd like to say.

It's long but so worth reading and supporting .

OracleofShelf · 26/01/2019 15:42

That's a brilliant summary of everything that's wrong with the extremist trans agenda.

catkind · 26/01/2019 17:50

Very good. Got a bit meandering in some sections, perhaps in part due to my not recognising all the examples of happenings they were obliquely referring to. But so much important ground covered and I liked the careful sectioning of issues.

userschmoozer · 26/01/2019 17:53

That URL is different from their website?

BarryHumphriesWardrobeAdvisor · 26/01/2019 18:47

@userschmoozer Nationbuilder.com appears to be some sort of software for handling mailing lists, processing donations and so on. But I've found a link to the petition on WOLF's own website, if you prefer to go via a URL you recognise. :)
womensliberationfront.org/declaration-of-no-confidence-in-lgb-movement-leadership/

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Illyria47 · 26/01/2019 19:12

Encapsulates everything I have thought over the past few months. I am going to send this link to my local MP. I signed the petition.

userschmoozer · 26/01/2019 19:22

Thats great, thank you, I couldnt find it on their website. I will go and sign now Smile

BarryHumphriesWardrobeAdvisor · 26/01/2019 20:52

Thank you to everyone who has posted and signed so far. And I love the idea of sending the link to your MP, Illyria47 - I'm off to do that too! :)

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ChattyLion · 26/01/2019 21:14

Placemarking as I need to keep on contacting my MP about this.

Truthisoutthere76 · 26/01/2019 21:16

You may want to look up James Dobson and his involvement in WOLF...

BarryHumphriesWardrobeAdvisor · 26/01/2019 22:19

Just Googled James Dobson... I wasn't aware of him, or that he is involved with WOLF. Thanks for letting me know - I will do as much reading as I can on that in the next few days, as time allows.

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userschmoozer · 27/01/2019 00:09

Truthisoutthere76 where did you hear about that?

stumbledin · 27/01/2019 01:24

Women's Liberation Front have been under criticism for a number of months, maybe over a year for taking money from the Heritage Foundation which is a right wing christian fundamentalist group (ie doesn't believe in women's rights).

If you saw the thread about the blog post from Jean Hatchet this is the right wing group she was objecting to. www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3489450-Jean-Hatchet-new-blog-post

At a time when other women are actively working and putting their necks on the line to promote gender critical activism it isn't clear why Women's Liberation Front continue to work with the Heritage Foundation. They are even doing this as part of the week of action #WomenStandUp. www.heritage.org/event/the-inequality-the-equality-act-concerns-the-left Its totally contradictory and in the long run will I think work against them however well worded their articles and petitions are. See hornet.com/stories/womens-liberation-front-transphobic/

And I think in America where it maybe has more meaning for appearing on Fox News www.facebook.com/womensliberationfront/posts/httpwwwheritageorgmarriage-and-familyeventbiology-isnt-bigotry-why-sex-matters-t/1276124132482109/

AnneHutchinson · 27/01/2019 03:16

This is a smear that’s been promulgated by TransAdvocate and PinkNews and is as reliable as the rest of PinkNews’ reporting.

WoLF filed suit against the Obama administration when Obama issued an executive order changing the meaning of “sex” in Title IX to “gender identity.” They hired an attorney who’d done work for the pro-life side in federal lawsuits and, in hiring him, agreed that no donations would go to support pro-choice work. That is their only connection to the right. Please understand that left wing attorneys will not work with feminists in this, and to sue the federal government requires specialization.

Hands Across the Aisle is a separate group, formed by lesbian activist Miriam Ben Shalom after she was forced out of a grand marshal position in a pride parade due to her GC views, an ACLU attorney forced to resign for being GC, and Kaeley Triller, a born-again Christian. (Please understand that born again Christians are not all the same, in the US. )

You can see their first attempt at speaking about women’s concerns re: genderism here, at a college in Tacoma, Washington: (I should say, tried to speak, as they were incessantly shouted down.)

m.youtube.com/watch?v=q6tnCy5Mlbk

It was after that episode that the Heritage Foundation sponsored a talk by Hands Across the Aisle. That’s it. A talk. Not all that different from Julie Bindel on a platform with Milo.

James Dobson founded Focus on the Family, a completely separate organization, headquartered in Colorado, and was a radio broadcaster. He’s About 90 years old now and long ago stepped down from heading Focus on the Family. I don’t know why anyone is even bringing up his name here.

ChattyLion · 27/01/2019 07:37

Also this ‘taking money from’ thing. It’s not always so black and white. This is not a specific comment on Jean or Posie either btw, I am more making a general point. I have said on here before how excellently effective a coalition of ‘unnatural’ allies is in campaigning to gain new supporters. Women working together from across the political spectrum is way more effective than sealing off your issue as a ‘left’ or ‘right’ wing concern.

Yes there is a principle about not being beholden to other sources when you are working towards an aim. Often this is because the other sources might try to influence your direction or they might cause your wider reputation to be affected where people or groups don’t agree with the donor’s politics.

but there’s also practical politics. Which is why financial reporting needs to be scrupulous so that everyone can make there own minds up about the ‘taking money’ thing in the causes they support.

Fine for uninvolved people to keep their hands clean according to their limits but from practical experience there is a clear limit to the effectiveness of collaboration that can be made in any campaigning issue, if in temporary political alliance on a single issue, campaigning groups won’t:
Share venue costs, speaker travel costs
Accept free or reduced cost venues
Share publicity or advocacy material costs

Groups will also ‘give money to’ each other by:
providing ‘free’ staff or volunteer time to another organisation they are working with who is only aligned with them on some things,
providing ‘free’ tactical campaigning advice or expertise,
‘free’ written advocacy resources that can be distributed by the organisation only aligned with them on some thing. (Makes sense- allows reach into a whole new audience)

Some groups also cap donations from any one source to neutralise accusations of ‘taking money’ = buying influence

I don’t think any of us live a perfect life not funding or benefiting from politics we disagree with in some way. I wouldn’t want me or anyone else to do that actually though they are of course free to if they want to or have the option.

I know beneficiaries of work or services who directly benefit from the paid work or generosity of people whose policies or politics they absolutely hated.
Like people who take animal-tested medicine because they need them, and who also actively campaign against animal testing. Or me, by buying from legally-tax-avoiding mega corps where I want or need to. (I try to minimise it but i have other priorities too.)

None of these are activities I would try to stop anyone doing, or personally lose much sleep over. political funding is as much a matter of personal taste as it is of organisational ethics and transparency and legal and regulatory requirements. As long as campaigning organisations are transparent and law abiding I feel it’s up to me and all of us to take or leave the rest.

stumbledin · 28/01/2019 00:37

This is a smear that’s been promulgated by TransAdvocate and PinkNews and is as reliable as the rest of PinkNews’ reporting.

It isn't a smear. it is a fact. The legal case was why they first teamed up with the Heritage Foundation.

and they are still partnering with them. So whilst other women / women's groups are either self financing or raising funds they aren't.

eg today when other women's groups were organising autonomously as women, Women's Liberation Front contributed from a platform hosted by the Heritage Foundation! www.heritage.org/event/the-inequality-the-equality-act-concerns-the-left

Even if the wording of the petition is exactly what everyone wants to be said, if it is located from a base of reactionary religious beliefs it undermines the arguement of women's rights. It is at best paternalism.

BlackForestCake · 28/01/2019 00:53

The LBGT "leaders" are happy enough to be in bed with corporations, banks, the army and MI5, that’s left-wing apparently … but God forbid women share a platform with pro-life Christians.

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