Glasgow Councillor Tries to Scold Judy Murray for Sharing Pro-Women's Rights Article, Uses Kardashian Speak and Ariana Grande Lyrics to respond to Social Media Outcry

[Mollysophie1]

The Article:

www.thenational.scot/news/17366420.why-we-have-so-much-to-learn-from-old-and-irrelevant-women/?ref=twtrec

The Twitter thread:

twitter.com/RhiannonV/status/1086745688107565056

Judy Murray, Scotland's most eminent Women's Tennis Coach, posted a link to an article on Twitter from Scottish newspaper, The National, about the importance of learning the lessons about the impact of transgenderism on women in Canada, with a particular emphasis on the Meghan Murphy saga and Rose McGowan's apology.

In response, Glasgow SNP councillor and Glasgow University law student Rhiannon Spear immediately scolded her for sharing an article that was "transphobic and 14 years out of date with Scottish Law and Society" and proceeded to ask her if she'd read the article in its entirety or just the headline.

She was met with an onslaught of criticism for the sanctimonious and patronising tone of her tweet (for implying Murray shared something she hadn't read) and the implicit ageism (suggesting she was out of touch with modern Scottish atitudes) and misogyny (assuming she didn't fully understand what she had tweeted because, if she did, then presumably she wouldn't identify with it because of the fact she's a woman) in her tweets. She was also admonished for being out-of-touch with, and completely failing to comprehend, the relevant legislation she accused Murray of being out of step with. The responses to her have restored my faith in normal Scots and UK people, but her response to those criticisms terrifies me.

In her response from various GC feminists asking her the usual comebacks, she has taken to using Kardashian speak in her rebuttals (e.g., saying that GC feminism is wack because it reduces womanhood to genitalia and reproductive ability (wrong of course, but still). Then when a Scottish journalist replied that reducing womanhood to genitalia was already happening as a direct result of transactivism, not GC feminism, she accused the journo of whipping up a mob, using the term 'wild' to describe the response of the journo. Yet another instance of Kardashian speak. And on her own Twitter feed, after a pitiful attempt to garner sympathy for herself and smear GC women, she finished with "Thank you, next" - the title of Ariana Grande's new song.

So this is where we're currently at in Scottish politics: using the wisdom of the Kardashians and Ariana Grande to bat off any legitemate public scrutiny.

Worst still, this is simply curtain climbing as this woman is part of the TIE campaign in Scotland, which seeks to promote gender ideology in our schools. The thought of this woman having any influence on our kids makes me either want to cry or scream. She is not a malign figure in Scottish legislation and policymaking.

Edit: meant benign figure in Scottish politics*

Call me an old fashioned haggard withered outdated irrelevant older woman, but I can remember with some fondness the days when if you wanted to involve yourself in politics, you were expected to understand a smattering of politics and history.

Nowadays you can quote a sleb, congratulate yourself on how relevant you are, and accidentally prove the point of the person you failed to take down.

Is Spear 13 years old or does she just identify as being that age?

It's a great article, and yay to Judy for tweeting it. She (and Andy M) must be all too aware of how trans ideology could damage women's tennis.

The responses on Twitter to "RhiannonV" are heartening too.

Reply to ToeToToe: Yes, Andy M has been a great advocate for women in tennis, by defending them against sexism so openly and hiring them.

Rhiannon Spear got a response that was wholly justified. So then she came out with this manipulative shit in response:

twitter.com/RhiannonV/status/1087290467249766400

twitter.com/RhiannonV/status/1087694517460000768

Reply to nauticant: Yes, thank you I should have provided a link to this as well. The I'm leaving, but not really accompanied with a crying Oprah gif really was the icing on the cake.

Yeah, the twitter break because she'd been crying about all the awful abuse was a nice touch.

I looked back through her tweets and all I could find were people pointing out (with perfect accuracy and commendable patience in most cases) she was talking bollocks.

I thought the tweets would help make things clearer Mollysophie1.

If anyone claims that I didn't read your OP properly I'll burst into tears, delete MN, and step back for few days.

Well, it's made me follow Judy Murray. I just hope she isn't made to apologise.

Replytonauticant: Haha. No really, thank you. You're right - it provides the important contextual stuff.

Shona Craven's article was excellent. She also had one the following day in the Herald on the lessons from Canada: www.heraldscotland.com/news/17364975.trans-rights-backlash-the-scottish-canadian-connection/

I see that the Equality Network's Tim Hopkins (as seen on parliament tv at the census committee) is challenging the aforementioned Rhiannon for the tin ear award and wrote an especially off point letter to the National complaining about the article and trying the old trick of pretending it was exactly the same as the gay rights movement.
twitter.com/LGBTIScotland/status/1087276154170548231?s=20
For women Scotland (also of census committee) however, followed up with this: twitter.com/ForwomenScot/status/1088439663411585024?s=20

My favorite part was where Rhiannon suggested that some women not thinking the way she wants them to is incompatible with feminism. Bless. Someone should break it to her that it's not a religion and she's not the Pope.

Reply to Alicethroughtheblackmirror: Thank you, I didn't know about the Herald article. Another excellent submission from Shona Craven. I'm so glad to see a woman journalist tackle this with the careful and forceful handling it deserves.
I read the reply from Tim Hopkins. Absolutely woeful stuff. Foreby the fact he rides roughshod over so many human rights demographics, he completely failed to pointedly address any of the specifics from the article and was quick to personalise the issue, which is par for course. Just a series of unsubstantiated and barely related assertions geared to elicit an emotional response. The response from Susan Smith was so on-point and I'm so glad she finished by stressing the potentially counterproductive end-goals he's pursuing.

Reply to AngryAttackKittens: Yes, this is very much her modus operandi with respect to every political topic she gets involved with: You're either with her or against her. The last time she publicly maligned a popular pro-Scottish independence blogger as a transphobe and got exactly the same reaction she did to her more recent attempt to go after Judy Murray, she pulled the exact same stunt - she maligned his 56k followers as "part of the problem", a huge portion of which belong to her own political party and share her political ambitions. She's very much of the view that if you don't agree with her, then its because you need to reflect more. In my view, she's a toxic extremist. And for all her qualms about not being reduced to her reproductive capacities, she wasn't above using her miscarriage to garner up sympathy for herself and get her sycophants to go after a man she couldn't have a reasoned discussion with.

I despair for the future of democracy if "do what I say or you're a bigot" is the standard of political discourse we can expect from elected officials.

She's like a political version of Sally Hines - no substance or coherence to her arguments, and then cries when people make coherent arguments against her.

Feminism is for women, not penises. Enough of the world revolves around the mighty penis already - they can't have feminism too.

Userschmoozer exactly.
And same Awrite Judy Murray is new to me.

There's also a link to a great article by Dierdre O'Neill in that thread.

medium.com/@deirdreoneill_40170/on-not-being-allowed-into-leftist-spaces-28a502add7a5?fbclid=IwAR0yLWcm-D73jxOUMFVBZxBvEweAa0f2xVFdFh-u5RDT6mi-gKYflNQ4lYw

Thank you to the fierce Scottish women!

That O'Neill article is something else. She goes on about how her dad was a builder and she hates the middle class (despite now being firmly in it) and then writes Sex is the scaffolding upon which gender roles are constructed.
I don't know about you, but I wouldn't trust any scaffolder that tried putting a building on his scaffold.
The second half of that article is good, but the first half, when she establishes her "credentials" is no different to the wokest of the woke demonstrating their utter wokeness.
I began this by talking about my identity and background — but only to underscore that I know all about discrimination, not to play top trumps with my working class Irish identity.
Except you did exactly that, and your article reads like an exam essay when halfway through the student realises what is being asked and that she hasn't covered it...

Response to FlyingOink: I haven't yet read the article but re the scaffolding analogy. It's pretty commonplace, in academia for instance, to put things this way, e.g., that conceptual frameworks provide the scaffolding for experimental design. It's just a turn of phrase, and the building analogy doesn't quite capture the same point. She's making the point that gender roles are rooted in sex. I don't really see how this is problematic.

Well my admiration for the Murrays just went up another notch.
Andy has shown his feminist credentials many a time. Good to see Judy stick her head over the parapet too. I hope she doesn’t back down. Bet she's a mumsnetter...

Good for Judy Murray, Rhiannon reminded me a bit of McKinnon in the Martina spat, particularly the meltdowns when it all started going against her.
If she thinks the majority of people share her views, then I think she is deluded.