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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

The logic of non-binary/ gender-fluid

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TrashyTerf · 24/01/2019 18:36

I am honestly not saying this to be goady. I am genuinely trying to understand this issue further. I tried asking on a transgender sub on Reddit, but I was instantly banned. If it is too offensive to be discussed here, then I do apologize and will ask for it to be removed.

My question is this:

How can non-binary and gender-fluid exist alongside transgender?

From what I understand, transgender people believe that they have the wrong brain for their body. This error happens in the womb. Fine.

Non-binary people believe that they have no gender. But then, does this mean that their brain is genderless? Is this also an error in the womb?

Gender-fluid people believe that their gender changes daily. Does this mean that their brain changes daily too?

For me, the logic falls apart when comparing these three things. I don't think they can logically exist together.

Can someone talk me through it?

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FloralBunting · 24/01/2019 22:07

What I find frustrating about these people is that they can't see past the end of their own noses. Binary gender is harmful - but only for them because they're special and complex

Reminds me of the video the dear Magdalen did about Ash Hardell organizing an exemption just for themselves wrt work uniform so they didn't have to wear the required uniform for women. She included footage about the woman from the UK who fought the rules for all women to wear heels. The comparison was stark.

MrsJamin · 24/01/2019 22:07

There is no logic. I think about gender / gender identity / stereotype like a jail. Transwoman is someone who was in a man's jail but chose to go into a woman's jail instead. Transmen grew up in a woman's jail but chooses to go into a man's jail instead. Neither are happy as they are still in a jail. Gender fluid people change their minds on which jail they want to be in today. Nonbinary people reject both jails yet don't accept they are a "sex" at all. Gender critical people say "I am this sex. I am not going to jail for you or anybody!*"

  • had to add the Wayne's world reference
Ereshkigal · 24/01/2019 22:08

I think it’s all bs, I think non binary/gender neutral just means they claim to be whatever gender suits their agenda at any given point, eg they can pick and choose to their advantage.

I concur.

MrsJamin · 24/01/2019 22:08

And yeah I am sure it's not a great analogy but it helps me try and get some logic of the absurdity of gender.

Ereshkigal · 24/01/2019 22:13

Best non binary article ever:

www.refinery29.com/en-us/2017/11/175870/gender-neutral-relationship-terms-lgbt

"Words so adorable we should all be using them..."

OldCrone · 24/01/2019 22:39

"Words so adorable we should all be using them..."

Navels so adorable we should all be gazing at them.

Ereshkigal · 24/01/2019 22:45

It was great to see my pibling, piblingspouse, nibling and niblingspouse the other day,

Ereshkigal · 24/01/2019 22:46

Actually hang on my nibling doesn't have a spouse, I meant my cousin.

Ereshkigal · 24/01/2019 22:46

And cousinspouse.

KataraJean · 24/01/2019 22:47

I like the analogy MrsJamin

HerFemaleness · 24/01/2019 22:50

It was great double plus good to see my pibling, piblingspouse, nibling and niblingspouse the other day,

Fixed your post for you, Ereshkigal Grin

Ereshkigal · 24/01/2019 22:53

Double double plusgood suggestion there, HerFemaleness!

AornisHades · 24/01/2019 23:27

It's a peculiar modern condition to pathologise normal variations of behaviour.
The world's got smaller. We 'know' so many people and it's a challenge to find the thing that makes you important.

TrashyTerf · 25/01/2019 04:23

Thanks for explaining Stadt.

But what do clothes have to do with biology? Or our brains?

Additionally, what is the point of segregating people through the subjective notion of gender rather than sex? If gender is just about clothing then isn't that like separating people via music type?

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