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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Is there a difference between this woman and trans women?

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MawkishTwaddle · 24/01/2019 16:37

And if so, can someone tell me what it is?

www.thesun.co.uk/fabulous/8243842/tanning-addict-injections-martina-big-baby/

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EchoGivesNarcissusTheFinger · 24/01/2019 17:10

Good grief!

Maybe somebody with twitter should ask Munroe Bergdorf what they think?

But I have noticed a few examples lately. Rachael Dolziel had her defenders. There's that white actor who has adopted an African name and has been awarded a theatre internship intended for black actors. There's a white Labour Party activist who claimed a black scholarship I believe.

There is no difference. If someone "feels" black, who is anyone to argue with that? Let's forget hundreds of years of oppression/slavery/colonisation suffered by people who can't simply stop using the fake tan if it stops suiting them to be black.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 24/01/2019 17:14

When I was at school my sisters friend was American. She wasn’t of course but really really really wanted to be. Her uncle lived in the US and that was good enough for her. She told everyone she was American and our on a daft accent and used words like faucet and candy.

Just because you really like something and would love to be (and ideal version of) it, can’t make it happen can it?

AspieAndProud · 24/01/2019 17:17

As soon as you point out that transgenderism no more makes a man a woman than ‘transracialism’ makes someone black someone on this forum will come along and accuse you of justifying transracialism.

Cwenthryth · 24/01/2019 17:27

Um, the only primary evidence I have to go on is that short tv clip, but could this not just be a case of language barrier? Her English was far from fluent. Her skin is very dark due to the treatment she’s had. I wouldn’t be surprised if she became pregnant with that level of melanin in her system that the baby could be born with darker skin. Is she using ‘black’ and ‘milk chocolate’ as simple descriptors of actual skin tone? Is there any other actual evidence elsewhere that she is actually claiming a transracial identity and believes her children would actually be black in terms of racial heritage?

Cwenthryth · 24/01/2019 17:29

Far too many actuallys there, apologies.

Birdsfoottrefoil · 24/01/2019 17:32

Ah. I thought from the title you were wanting a basic biology lesson...

HawayMan · 24/01/2019 17:54

This woman is hugely offensive and needs to stop.

RaininSummer · 24/01/2019 17:57

Good grief. She might look like a black woman, she might think she feels like a black woman, she may be treated like a black woman (does that ever take a non racist form as a woman should be a woman? ) but she is not. A transwoman may look like, profess to feel like, be treated like a woman... But they are not.

Cwenthryth · 24/01/2019 18:31

Ok I did a bit of googling because this has intrigued me.

From her own online biography:
^Middle of January 2017 I had a medical procedure witch changed my appearance fundamental.
First my skin goes darker. Then my hair, my eyes and my eyebrows darkened. Then I noticed that my completely body changed from a Caucasian to a Black woman.
Therefore I went in July 2017 to the government and changed my ethnicity official to "Black".
Consequently got a new passport and ID card.^
In February 2017, a pastor in Kenya baptized me with the name "Malaika Kubwa".This is Swahili. Malaika means Angel and Kubwa means Big :)
^I like my new African look very much :) Therefore, I will support my body in the further transformation.
I will also change my facial features to African and enlarge my buttocks.
Further more, my breasts will be even bigger.^
I hope that the future will bring BIG things :-)

So, yes she does seem to believe that by changing her appearance she has transitioned to a different race! Confused

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 24/01/2019 18:33

How does she reconcile meeting up with her parents?

AnyOldPrion · 24/01/2019 18:39

it wasn't long before viewers of the show expressed their shock on Twitter, with one commenting: "What has this world come to, Martina is describing herself as being a 'black woman' when in fact she's taking tanning injections."

Bizarre reaction when compared to the non-reaction when India Willoughby is on. I don’t understand how so many people have been sold the lie that it’s different.

EchoGivesNarcissusTheFinger · 24/01/2019 18:45

And there we have it. The fetishisation of black women: reduced down to large buttocks and specific facial features, because of course, all "African" women look the same, don't they.

I'd love to know what this medical procedure is that can change you into a black person.

This woman is straight out of an AbFab sketch. Anyone else remember Edina swooning over her black baby accessory (her grandchild, in fact)?

Cwenthryth · 24/01/2019 18:45

In this article she says her parents and sister all died in a car accident in 2011. She then talks about a memory of her father:
‘My father...slept the entire day on the beach and burnt his entire back. But the red quickly turned into brown. When I now look at my dark brown skin, I think of this.’

This woman has some deep issues I think. I don’t think the media is being very responsible promoting her. Going to stop clicking on links now.

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