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Self-IDing as 'black'

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TimeLady · 21/01/2019 17:49

www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-6615237/White-couple-identify-black-appear-Morning-saying-doctors-claim-baby-black.html

A white couple, who have had tanning injections to turn their skin darker, have appeared on This Morning, claiming that doctors have told them that their future children will be born black.
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While another questioned the genetics behind the couples claim: 'I'm so sorry, but no amount of cosmetic changes will affect your genetics. If you were born white, your children will be white. I think Martina needs to find a new doctor.'

Others joked about the situation, with one tweeting: 'As I identify as an attack helicopter I'm having surgery to have rotor blades attached to my back and mini guns under my arms

No different to the 69 year old Dutchman identifying as a 49 year old.

Or a person identifying as the opposite sex.

All bat shit crazy.

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CandleConcerto · 21/01/2019 21:30

Not male. Magnificent.

ChewyLouie · 21/01/2019 21:48

There should more of this in the public eye, drawing attention to the current insanity.
Waiting for the ‘blackface rights are human rights’ banners. Or how about ‘whiteface rights are human rights’. Anyone who disagrees is a racist bigot, blah blah.

MrsFogi · 21/01/2019 22:10

I think it is less of a leap to identify as a different race than to identify as a different sex.

CandleConcerto · 21/01/2019 22:18

Actually it is! Far less black and white (excuse the pun) than sex.

BlindYeo · 21/01/2019 22:34

Can one call Munroe cis black now?

Iambackbamc · 21/01/2019 22:52

In the alternative counter culture online, several years ago, prominent feminist Laci Green said that many of the same arguments for self ID when it came to sex/gender could also be applied to self IDing as a different race. She was of course subject to a vicious barrage of hatred and abuse for saying that and I believe she eventually became “red pilled” as the counter culture calls it. Don’t know if she herself ever described it as such but that’s what people said. But I’m just saying, the comparison had been around for quite a while. The consensus seems to be self IDing as a different gender is OK but self IDing as a different race is not. I have no idea why.

Thisnamechanger · 21/01/2019 22:56

*Or a person identifying as the opposite sex.

All bat shit crazy*

Your wording is unkind.

Childrenofthestones · 21/01/2019 23:07

I saw the program with the couple.
I thought it was an advert for Cuprinol

MissMarplesKnitting · 21/01/2019 23:09

I'm going to self identify as a millionaire.

I can pretend all I like....but I'm definitely not one.

MrsJamin · 21/01/2019 23:30

SO brave.

Jakeyboy1 · 22/01/2019 00:09

I think he is also self ID-ing as age 31.

MistressDeeCee · 22/01/2019 02:48

Same as

He's male. Doesn't matter what makeup is put on

It's not the same. It's white privilege gaining attention and endorsements for blackface.

Separate to that, Self-Id issues now are driven by white male privilege - which is exactly why it's gaining so much momentum.

It isn't as if this world is an equal playing field. So the comparison is unnecessary.

The majority of you don't accept or even have an awareness that it's offensive to black women. That is why you must compare it to Self-ID/Trans, and take the piss.

You aren't bothered about women who don't resemble your demographic so you actively won't see it.

AssassinatedBeauty · 22/01/2019 06:58

"The majority of you don't accept or even have an awareness that it's offensive to black women." - why do you say that?

Beerflavourednipples · 22/01/2019 07:38

The majority of you don't accept or even have an awareness that it's offensive to black women. That is why you must compare it to Self-ID/Trans, and take the piss.

What?! Of course it's offensive to black women. And people are rightly calling it out.

People are not comparing it to self id as such, but we are questioning why one is recognised as offensive and one isn't. What's wrong with that?

CandleConcerto · 22/01/2019 07:43

We know how offensive it is - that’s why we’re comparing it!

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TimeLady · 22/01/2019 07:57

Of course we understand that it's offensive to black women.

It's not even about the skin colour, she's free to fake tan herself to any shade she wants; it's the claim that she's actually 'become black' that I imagine most of us, of any colour, find offensive.

The woman who's doing it is the one who is taking the piss. I'm amazed you think we think otherwise.

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MrsFogi · 22/01/2019 12:15

Tbh the easiest bit of self-identification is around age - I genuinely, genuinely feel about 15 in my head........on the self-id logic that makes me 15. Off to see if the Daily Mail will interview me with a sad face talking about how 15 year old boys won't date me when they find out I'm 46 and how their parents/the authorities "have to" be more accepting.

andyoldlabour · 22/01/2019 12:45

From the Telegraph article.

"But Trevor Phillips, the former chair of the Commission for Racial Equality, said allowing people to self-identify on matters of race, inevitably meant members of the black Asian and ethnic minority (Bame) community lost out."

I wonder what Mr Phillips views are regarding men being able to self ID as women, when it inevitably means that real women will be losing out?

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 22/01/2019 13:34

beerflavourednipples have you seen this? nehandaradio.com/2018/04/03/zim-transgender-suffers-miscarriage/

FWRLurker · 22/01/2019 13:42

Isn't it ethnicity is a social construct, but race can't be changed, rather like the difference between sex and gender.

In biology we talk about ancestry - that’s biological fact. Race however is a construct in that it is a clumsy lumping of features into poorly defined and often overlapping groups.

Ethnicity is about what culture you come from so is also a social construct. It’s distinct from race, though influenced by it since people from particular ethnic groups usually have a shared ancestry also.

AspieAndProud · 22/01/2019 14:14

The majority of you don't accept or even have an awareness that it's offensive to black women.

You should cite some examples or apologise. Nobody here thinks blackface is okay. Saying transracialism is comparable to transgenderism is only supporting transracialism if you also support transgenderism. Who is doing that?

andyoldlabour · 22/01/2019 14:17

PainintheEar

I don't think anyone in the comments section of that article was convinced Grin

FactsAreNotMean · 22/01/2019 14:59

I genuinely do not see the difference between this and trans issues, I just don't.

I understand why black people are offended by this; but I don't see how it is any more offensive than transgenderism is to women.

andyoldlabour · 22/01/2019 16:11

"I understand why black people are offended by this; but I don't see how it is any more offensive than transgenderism is to women."

As far as I can see, they are both forms of "appropriation", but in the case of radical transactivism it goes much further and could be regarded as a form of abuse against women.

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