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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Post op complication rate for "bottom" surgery

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Iused2BanOptimist · 20/01/2019 18:36

I've been looking at some of the YouTube clips from Noah Finnce.
Noah seems to have thought through the reasons against "bottom" surgery fairly sensibly.
Including an HCP at the gender clinic advising a 50% complication rate. 50%
I realise that can encompass a range of complications from a relatively mild post op infection, quickly resolved with suitable antibiotics albeit maybe a few extra days in hospital, chronic incontinence and worse. Still that is quite a compelling statistic.
For context post op infection rates for hip replacement are somewhere around 3% though this varies with different hospitals.

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Iused2BanOptimist · 20/01/2019 18:39

I'd like to know the source of that statistic that the HCP quoted I must say.

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AnyOldPrion · 20/01/2019 19:41

I don’t know about 50% but I should imagine complications are common.

A vagina sometimes gets infected despite the fact that evolution has created many mechanisms to keep bacterial and fungal growth at bay. To create a blind-ended skin pouch in an area that naturally tends towards warmth and sweating, and is close to the anus is always going to be risky.

Add in the urinary tract and the complications that can affect it.

Plus as has become clear, the pouch does not even remain patent unless it’s stretched regularly.

It is surgery that should only be carried out as a last resort and certainly not as a first line treatment.

AnyOldPrion · 20/01/2019 19:47

Apologies, I assumed Noah was male. Phalloplasty is even more complicated, I should imagine. Some of the same problems with the surgical site would apply.

Creating something that approximates to a functioning penis is impossible. The mechanisms for erection are not possible to replicate.

FlyingOink · 20/01/2019 20:07

This one is apparently a total success Iceland

ironic binder

Iused2BanOptimist · 20/01/2019 21:30
Shock Iceland populations in 2018 was 337,780 according to google. I wonder how much practice that surgeon gets.
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Hellbentwellwent · 21/01/2019 10:15

I genuinely don’t get the point of that surgery in iceland. That trans man doesn’t actually have a penis now, it’s just a lump of inert non functional flesh sewn on to the mons pubis to emulate the look of a penis. There’s no function at all, it doesn’t become erect so has no sexual function and there’s no urethra in it so it’s not even possible to pee through it, and anatomically the patient has an open vagina.... what’s the point?

BartholinsSister · 21/01/2019 10:48

Sewing on a donor one seems an obvious (if perhaps tricky) solution.

Qcng · 21/01/2019 11:22

Christ, they've taken a main nerve from the clitoris and moved it onto the forearm skin attached to the crotch, so I can only assume the clitoris now has less sensitivity...

Qcng · 21/01/2019 11:24

^ from the "successful" one in Iceland

Bowlofbabelfish · 21/01/2019 16:23

The problem with labelling these as complications is that some of them are natural consequences.

This isn’t surgery to restore a system to balance.

buttyblahblah · 21/01/2019 17:12

So Noah is a straight woman who is a "bottom". So is she having vaginal sex or just anal? And what does she mean when she says she likes to "nut"?

The phalloplasty arm scars are horrifying.

Iused2BanOptimist · 21/01/2019 17:40

Butty I've looked at several of Noah's YouTube clips and I'm none the wiser. HmmGrinThere was a "boyfriend" in one - they say they are two gay boys ie butch lesbians but I think there's a new one on the scene who looks like an actual boy. But at least there seems to have been some sensible thought process about "bottom surgery " and good reasons to reject this.
The "top" surgery was done a couple of weeks ago and the surgeon and private hospital named. I am tempted to write a strongly worded letter to the surgeon.

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Iused2BanOptimist · 21/01/2019 17:42

Bartholins Grin I think a problem would be sourcing the dream organ with maximum aesthetic appeal. WinkGrin

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FlyingOink · 21/01/2019 21:15

FtM wise I don't know what can really be reported as a surgical complication other than something that affects the urethra or goes necrotic.
You can't say loss of function because that's acceptable and requested
You can't say nerve damage
You cant say aesthetic issues

It's really a shitshow. The latest counter is that the ones we see aren't "finished yet". Except their proud owners put pics of them all over the internet describing them as finished.

WrathofRancidKlopp · 21/01/2019 22:51

Unnecessary surgery resulting in chronic incontinence in a healthy young body?

Ffs

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