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Transfaith: The latest frontier?

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Dontgiveadamn · 19/01/2019 14:26

Just when you thought things couldn't get any more stupid we get this: www.churchtimes.co.uk/articles/2019/4-january/books-arts/book-reviews/transfaith-a-transgender-pastoral-resource-chris-dowd-christina-beardsley-and-justin-tanis

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NotTerfNorCis · 19/01/2019 15:37

'A troubling alliance between conservative Christian and essentialist feminist commentators.'

The TRA-founded rumour continues to spread.

There is Hands Across the Aisle... but that's in America. The vast majority of GC feminists have nothing to do with Christian fundamentalists.

FlyingOink · 19/01/2019 16:20

I'm still waiting on my cheque from the fundies Angry

nauticant · 19/01/2019 16:33

Is transfaith for people to identify as being a member of a religion? So someone can identify as a Catholic without the faff or a man as Jewish without, well, a particular indisposition.

JSmitty · 19/01/2019 16:49

Would this require Trans-substantiation?

Two nations divided by more than a common language: The argument in the USA is between transpeople and conservative states and other bodies who will under no circumstances recognise trans-identity even after surgery.

FloralBunting · 19/01/2019 17:16

Ack. I don't know where to begin. There's a reason I'm not a member of the CofE anymore.

AspieAndProud · 19/01/2019 17:17

I don’t believe in souls, gendered or otherwise.

My belief that you cannot change sex is not rooted in the supernatural.

TRAs are a cult. I’m listening to an audiobook on the Jonestown massacre right now and I’m hearing recordings of Jones himself blathering on about ‘social justice’ while controlling every aspects of his followers lives.

And, of course, their ultimate weapon was suicide when reality didn’t bend their way.

FloralBunting · 19/01/2019 19:04

Well, this is the difficulty - genderism is a competing religious belief, and some religious belief systems are fine with a certain amount of syncretism. The CofE seems to be one of those, so it's just a question of blending the belief in immortal souls and specifically gendered souls and Bob's your auntie this is the result.

This is probably why there is a certain amount of common cause with the more traditional Christians and feminists because both have a basic commitment to specific things being true and not changeable. Obviously there is divergence in this, but I think understanding that men are not women and women are not men as a basic is pretty fundamental.

vaginafetishist · 19/01/2019 21:37

FloralBunting I like your post and agree with you totally. I am a member of the C of E and in despair about the wholesale adoption of twaw at the liberal end.
Rev Rachel Mann who wrote the review is extremely hostile to feminism, they term it 'essentialist feminism'.
They gave the Feminist Theology lecture at Southwark Cathedral last year. (It was incomprehensible queer theory, Butler inspired nonsense).
I can't see any other denomInation to jump to, they all seem as bad.

vaginafetishist · 19/01/2019 21:40

The cheerleading Mann gets from women priests on Twitter is dispiriting, as well as the frequent retweeting of the Mermaids account.

FloralBunting · 19/01/2019 22:07

Yes, I have to say it's an extremely depressing place to be, with a number of women vicar friends either ordained or training, who have swallowed the gubbins wholesale. Like, I love their ministry, and want to be their biggest cheerleaders, but there they are, merrily undermining the very feminist liberation consciousness that enabled them to break down barriers, and leaving their sisters in the dust.

But then tribalism is just as much of an issue in religion as it is in politics, and it seems to be the case that if you accept certain aspects of progressive theology, you have to choke down the lot.

I wish I could suggest another church - but tbh, this really is a case of following your conscience and callings. My answers won't be the same as yours, because likely my journey, from atheism to fundamentalism to CofE and finally Catholicism, isn't the same as yours. I guess my only advice can be - look for truth. I was helped enormously by an Eastern Orthodox priest who showed me that Christianity is a firm deposit of faith, faithfully handed down the ages. It has different character in different times and places, but there is a core that does not and cannot change, and our only responsibility is to be true to it, and hand it down as we were entrusted with it.

Justhadathought · 20/01/2019 12:39

Thomas Merton - 'The Seven Storey Mountain'

Father William McNamara - ' Christian Mysticism'

...and anything by Jean Vanier, especially 'The Broken Body'

For eternal Christian truths - shorn of group dogma and politics.

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