Manslaughter sentence in 'honour killing' case

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''A teenage boy who stabbed his sister's secret boyfriend to death, when he found him hiding at their home, has been found guilty of manslaughter.''

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-46895412

This is an odd case, there's no explanation of how the 16 year old brother knew his sister had male company.
He went to the house, had a knife, and was shouting ''where is he, where is he''.

More detail in this earlier article.

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He pleaded not guilty to murdering Mr Udayakumar and a jury found him guilty of manslaughter through loss of self-control.
WTF

It's giving credence to "honour killing" isn't it?

"Loss of self- control" - I'd buy that if it were a father finding his underage teenage daughter with a much older man. A Rotherham father for example.

This was a 19 year old woman and an 18 year old man.

Unless the brother has some sort of mental condition which impairs his self control, then what excuse on earth is there for someone to be outraged to the point of violence - let alone killing - by your sister's choice of boyfriend?

He just snapped and excuses like that are obfuscation and fabrication-it’s murder at the hands of a male who made a choice to kill his sister’s boyfriend - excusing and discounting the seriousness and nature of this crime sends a strong message to him and other men that they can get away with it

It is difficult to have full confidence in the process of the law when we don't have free public access to either trial transcripts or the judge's report. It renders judgments like this opaque at best and wholly unjustified/unreasonable to the point of undermining the criminal justice system at the very least.

It’s Rotherham by proxy: “women are far less important than pandering to the violent misogyny of cultures we are not willing to challenge”. Why did the CPS agree to reduce the charge? For the same reason they were asleep in Rotherham.

Although the Rotherham crimes are hideous and unforgivable they were not based on honour but racist misogyny. I think the Asian gangs felt they had a right to abuse young whiite girls, they saw them as being worthless.
This crime is based on a sense of honour, the boyfriend was deemed to have sullied the family honour, the brother felt he was defending it. Males are murdered in the name of honour too, what the brother failed to realise was that someone could have killed him for the same reason, seeing that he had girlfriends too. I disagree with manslaughter, it was murder.

It's giving credence to "honour killing" isn't it?
It really is. Its useless having laws if they aren't enforced.

Julie Bindel has written about 'honour killings';
unherd.com/2019/01/britains-honour-crime-shame/

we need to campaign for this phrase to be dropped from criminal proceedings. It is a killing, no adjective needed and certainly not this repulsive one. And it sounds like out-and-out murder.

I know this sounds very DM but why the fuck do we think so little of our values in Britain that we tolerate this shit?

This crime is based on a sense of honour, the boyfriend was deemed to have sullied the family honour, the brother felt he was defending it.

Yes, I agree with your distinction. Then that makes the CPS decision even less explicable: he had premeditated intent to kill, motive, opportunity and mens rea. How is it not murder?

You can absolutely guarantee that his family egged him on and supported him. Which makes it conspiracy to murder, accessories before and after the fact and conspiracy to pervert the course of justice. Why haven't they been charged? Pound to a penny it's "cultural sensitivity".

It's not about 'honour', surely it's about control of women and their sexuality and reproductive potential.'Honour' is the word used to give families the license to enact this control. The woman 'belongs' to the family, not as a full and free member but more like a possession in this mindset.

The ‘honour’ system is based ion tribalism, a way of stopping people defecting ( and taking their wealth) to other tribes.
Claiming ‘honour’ as an excuse for murder is like saying our family motto is to murder rather than talk to each other or our family will murder those it disagrees with.
The Asian community should openly ostracise those who commit these crimes, supported by a legal system that states there is no honour in murder. Everytime a murder is reported in the news, the report should also include a viewpoint from Asians who disagree with the honour system.

Yes it is about controlling women as they are an easy target for cowards but the honour system itself equally controls men. He would havmurdered his sister too if it was donkey about women’s, he killed the man who he saw as staining the family honour.

Donkey!!! Should have gone to Specsavers!
‘if it was solely about controlling women’s sexuality.’

We will have to wait for the sentencing remarks to see what actually went on.