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'Why feminists should support transgender rights' TedTalk by Amelia Abraham (journalist)

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R0wantrees · 16/01/2019 17:37

www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=109&v=Rk1NO1BB7KQ

(if anyone has a TRA bingo card, its definitely worth getting it out)

'Why feminists should support transgender rights' TedTalk by Amelia Abraham (journalist)
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Oldermum156 · 18/01/2019 14:48

I did for a long time, but transgender don't support women's rights, so I no longer care about them tbh

thefirstmrsdewinter · 18/01/2019 22:01

'Why transpeople should support feminists rights' - fixed that for you Amelia.
Sorry to be glib, I can't watch it. Woke bros are annoying but it's a new level of depressing having a woke woman lecture me on 'should'. And anyone who uses the word support in that nebulous 'I'll be there for you' bullshit way, I just don't have the time or energy.
I think it's fair to say that 80% of us have been progressive 'supporters' of various right on issues over the years so what can it be about this issue that has our hackles up? Here's an idea, how about looking at women as fully formed individuals with their own interests, beliefs and priorities who don't just spring into being when they turn up as a supportive rent-a-mob?
Oops, bit ranty.

HermioneWeasley · 18/01/2019 22:05

My considered opinion is that she can fuck off.

Holymozes · 18/01/2019 22:45

I used to be handmaideny.

I’ve just received a long email from an ex “trans” friend who claims I am a bad friend and no longer the woke “ally” I used to be. All written in “nice guy” terms about feelings and “support against the cruel world” etc

When we were “friends” he:

-worked out secretly I have an abusive family background and used that to ascertain I was vulnerable and cross social boundaries

-“accidentally” sent me pornograhic pictures (I now realise he was trying to get a reaction).

-sent me regular messages asking got solidarity about all the “trans abuse” he faced. Basically AGP fantasies.

-sent me messages about all the “trans SEX abuse” he faced. He liked to present himself as a sissy slut available for sexual degradation online but all the men sending him dirty messages was “proof” of how much men secretly wanted his middle aged male body. More AGP fantasies. Expected solidarity obviously.

  • Had a lot of exhibitionist fantasies and wanted to involve me in them. When I visited his home all the neighbours seemed to look at us like we were weirdos - I think he’d been putting out rubbish in a slip to get people looking at him.

-Suppprting cross dressing? Yes, I was so “woke” I was up for that. What he meant by that wasn’t being out in public in a casual dress with it and being cool with it. Oh no. He wanted to wear silky lingerie and wander around in front of me in private.

Fuck off to the far side of fuck with your self pitying “ally” bollocks.

HermioneWeasley · 19/01/2019 07:57

Holy, I’m so sorry he was abusing you. Glad you’ve seen the light and put him out of your life. Narcissistic abusers do tend to get cross when rumbled, as you’ve seen.

R0wantrees · 19/01/2019 08:26

More AGP fantasies. Expected solidarity obviously.

recent article, 'The Elephant In The Room' by Sue Donym
concludes:
"Autogynephilia is a weird concept. It can be inaccessible. But it needs to be discussed in the LGBT community, and openly. Not talking about it is causing way too much damage — we have had our organizations taken over, our spaces colonized, and our sexuality redefined. Thanks to these men, you can no longer say ‘I am, gay, meaning exclusively same-sex attracted’ without being labelled a TERF. That’s not a good thing.

Dancing around the subject isn’t helpful. While the ultimate result of autogynephilia is homophobic rhetoric, is important to remember that a sexual fantasy, not homophobia, motivates such rhetoric. That is the root cause of the problem.

Worse is the effect on autogynephiles themselves. ‘Transgender’ is not an umbrella. It is a term that erases the very different motivations and causes of various forms of gender dysphoria. It does people who claim the label absolutely no favors. The original inclusion of the ‘T’ was designed for homosexual transsexuals, and include them with other same-sex attracted individuals. It was not designed to include autogynephiles, who are heterosexual males, or ‘queer’ individuals who are heterosexual but believe dying their hair some variation of neon should mean they are included. Making ‘transgender’ an umbrella not only erases the very different causes and struggles associated with homosexual transsexuality, it also obscures the causes of, and struggles associated with autogynephilia. Autogynephilia is not a condition I would wish on anyone. It is a unique, somewhat bizarre struggle, and reading through many of the accounts of it was quite sad. It can make its sufferers lonely and unable to connect with intimate partners. But enabling it, and on a grand scale, has caused immense damage to homosexuals, particularly lesbians, who have lost almost all their spaces and communities to colonization.

Please discuss the elephant."
medium.com/@sue.donym1984/the-elephant-in-the-room-dc822144a81b

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