Jeremy Vine Radio 2 today about 12.30 Bath changing room story

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Jeremy Vine Radio 2 today about 12.30
twitter.com/vixfinn/status/1085104786792423424?s=21

That stupid, stupid woman. “I don’t understand why women complain about seeing penises while men don’t complain about seeing breasts”...... Truly breathtaking
Here’s a thought. Any man, ever, been raped by a breast?

Same report as andyoldlabour, but in Indie, no need for token www.independent.co.uk/life-style/women/sexual-assault-unisex-changing-rooms-sunday-times-women-risk-a8519086.html

I would have liked to hear both ladies discussing together rather than a separate interview with each. I suspect the first one would have challenged the other quite effectively.

The whole segment felt like a missed opportunity really, a non-article. It could have highlighted how some behaviour from men is absolutely predatory and so show concern with safe spaces being taken away isn't because us vipers hate transwomen, rather predatory men.

I also realise trying to get to this in between music and chat is a bit of an ask!

I don’t want to see strange men’s cocks ever.

Woops or even unstrange men’s cocks

littlebrowndog

Our local swimming pool has a changing village. This means is a cubicled room with lockers and anyone can be changing next door to you. Or wandering around semi naked near the locker area. I go weekly and it makes me uncomfortable. Don’t know what the alternative is. They’ve built recently and it’s there now. It’s awful.

Here is an actual case of what has already happened.

"The data emerged four days after Darren Johnson, a serial voyeur, was sentenced to 16 months’ imprisonment after stalking schoolgirls in the mixed changing area of Putney leisure centre in southwest London. Johnson was caught after two 14-year-olds spotted his smartphone poking through a gap from the adjoining cubicle. When police raided his house, they found 150 files of photos taken at the centre. A second voyeur, Anthony Gomes, was caught in the same unisex changing area a few weeks later."

www.patheos.com/blogs/throughcatholiclenses/2018/09/co-ed-change-rooms-have-high-sexual-assault-rates/

We know the extremes sexual predators go to to get victims - train for years to enter certain types of employment that give them access to vulnerable women or children, identify vulnerable women to take up with, and move in with, enter the priesthood fgs. But it’s what? Just RIDICULOUS to suggest they won’t go to ALL the trouble of nipping down the local pool at the weekend to get their jollies?

"train for years to enter certain types of employment that give them access to vulnerable women or children"

How true, Darren Johnson ran a children's soft toy company and Anthony Gomes was a teacher.

Yes, that’s my concern with the swimming pool. All the walls have a gap at the bottom and the top. Easy to work out how it’s done, makes me feel sick.

Here vix

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We have had a unisex changing village for a couple of years. I use it for swimming at least a couple of times a week and have always felt safe. There is strictly no nakedness outside cubicles, always loads of staff around and importantly you can go into a female only showering area with cubicles and a closed door. There is also single sex toilets.

I think one of the benefits is a parent can take their opposite sex child in with them. Once my nephew got to the age where he was a bit old for the female changing room but too young to feel comfortable with letting him using the male facilities alone it was a problem. The same would happen with a male carer and female child, my dad used to have to take me into the male changing rooms which I hated.

The area for kids changing after lessons and swimming club is separate from main changing room.

What I hate is the fact they have made the health suite (jacuzzi, sauna etc)mixed sex only. I just don't want to be in such close proximity to almost naked men. I've noticed there are very few women use it now, and I wonder if that is the reason. They used to have a mix of male, female or mixed sessions and I would be happier with that.

I have had a single bad experience in there where a man was verbally inappropriate with me and it makes me really wary.

I'm late to the party but ugh, that Liz!! "Oooh, in Germany they don't mind" - yeah well we're not German are we?!

I stayed in a youth hostel in German a couple of years ago that had mixed-sex showers, where the cubicles had CLEAR GLASS WALLS AND DOORS, and the external window was clear glass, facing straight into someone's living room across the courtyard. I know they scoff at how prudish we are but I'm sorry, I thought I was quite relaxed about that sort of thing but that's going way too far for me. And anyway, as everyone else has already pointed out, the rates of sexual assault and harassment are enough to justify sex segregation.

I think one of the benefits is a parent can take their opposite sex child in with them.

That's a very valid point (also two parents with two or three kids probably need to help each other) but my local leisure centre has always had a few large, fully closed-off "family" changing rooms as well as the male and female.

I didn't get the chance to say much on Vine today and I didn't know what the other woman had to say in advance. As you know the initial issue with Bath Leisure Centre was that not only were men overstepping our boundaries in the unisex changing, but also that the single sex facilities were closed to women all through the week. This is in clear breach of the 2010 EA. Thankfully Radio Bristol gave it a good three hours coverage yesterday and as a result the single sex facilities should now be open. We'll be keeping on eye on that.
Thanks all who supported Debz and myself here and on Twitter.
After finding ourselves in The Sun of all papers, I'm pleased our local press caught up. www.somersetlive.co.uk/in-your-area/i-didnt-feel-safe-women-2428444.amp?__twitter_impression=true

I think that Liz Fraser is the woman who wrote “The Yummy Mummy’s Survival Guide”. I remember feeling quite worried when I read her book because she recommended that dog owners rehome their dogs if they get pregnant, because the dog might give the baby chlamydia and/or the “Yummy Mummy” won’t be able to cope with both a dog and a baby. I showed my midwife and she said it was silly scaremongering.

She talks utter nonsense and I can’t take anything she says seriously.

She sounds delightful, I would have enjoyed a debate with Liz Fraser 😉

Vix thank you for speaking so eloquently today. I wish you could have had more time but you did very well with the slot you had.

This has set me thinking.

I have traveled Europe a few times, and often stayed at naturist campsites.

I really don’t mind mixed nudist saunas when I’m staying at said campsites. I’ve shared many a Sauna with naked male and female . But I still wouldn’t be happy with a mixed changing village in the U.K.

It’s taken me a while to work out why I felt like this. Consent.

And also, I know that naturist places are usually very well policed, slightest hint of creepy behaviour and the perpetrator is straight out on their ear.