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Andrew Gilligan Times: 'Green high-flyer Aimee Challenor hid father’s rape charges' David Challenor 'A paedophile rapist posed a “major safeguarding risk” for almost two years'

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R0wantrees · 13/01/2019 01:28

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"A paedophile rapist posed a “major safeguarding risk” to young Green Party members for almost two years because one of the party’s rising stars did not clearly tell colleagues that the man had been charged with serious sex crimes.

An independent investigation has found that Aimee Challenor, a transgender activist and candidate for the Greens’ deputy leadership, committed a “serious error of judgment” by appointing her father, David, as her agent at two elections even as he faced trial for kidnapping, raping and torturing a 10-year-old girl.

The inquiry, by the investigations consultancy Verita, criticised the Greens for treating the matter “primarily as a communications one” and “failing to see the safeguarding issues that arise”. The party’s “support for diversity” did not remove the need for someone like Aimee Challenor to have proper “training and support” in a leadership role, the investigators said.

A 17-page summary of the report was quietly published last week. However, the full 80-page report, seen by The Sunday Times, is more critical. It says Challenor, the Greens’ equality spokeswoman, had been guilty of a “serious omission” by not telling her local party and most national officials about her father’s charges.

Challenor blamed her autism for not doing so and told the inquiry: “At the end of the day you can’t go about telling every Tom, Dick and Harry.” The investigators said they found it “hard to understand some of Aimee’s actions and explanations”.

The omission allowed David Challenor to run his daughter’s office and mix with young activists and members’ children at events that included a picnic only weeks before his trial.

A jury at Warwick crown court convicted Challenor of holding his victim captive in the attic of the family home. He was jailed for 22 years for the series of offences." (continues)

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/green-high-flyer-hid-father-s-rape-charges-kdhrfhll3

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TimeLady · 13/01/2019 17:11

I'd be interested in the reaction to the report of the non-males in the Young Greens too. Wink

Billy21 · 13/01/2019 17:25

At the moment it appears the Golden Ticket to advance in politics is to declare themselves trans. A person such as myself, a chest-feeding, cervix-having, non-male bleeder, doesn't stand a chance.

1hello2hello · 13/01/2019 17:47

RedTooth be wise of him to have a read.

MarshmallowSnowDon · 13/01/2019 20:44

I think the feminists are only just about to discover how immoral, and vile, the left actually are...

userschmoozer · 13/01/2019 20:46

LOL! New here, aren't you.

ReflectentMonatomism · 13/01/2019 20:48

The hard left has always been opposed to feminism. For example:

victortoils.wordpress.com/2013/03/13/the-swp-and-womens-oppression-a-brief-history-of-failure/

userschmoozer · 13/01/2019 20:54

Men on the left and right each have their own anti feminist culture. Its not news to feminists.

AspieAndProud · 13/01/2019 21:00

The Left-Right axis is just one dimension in political hyperspace. There’s feminism-antifeminism, liberalism-authoritarianism, rational-irrational, and a host of other axes. They are largely independent of each other.

Poppyred85 · 13/01/2019 21:04

I know the thread’s moved on but wanted to say thanks to Empress for the sharetoken.

MarshmallowSnowDon · 13/01/2019 21:16

“userschmoozer

LOL! New here, aren't you.”

Yes. But nevertheless the far left are actually evil. I do not use this word lightly. I know this because several decades ago I was a senior far left activist. I don’t believe that how evil the far left actually are is generally understood. The liberal left are useful idiots because the adults in it are thick and don’t understand the logical implications of the ideology they have embraced.

Dragon3 · 13/01/2019 21:48

Marshmallow I don't know what a 'senior far left activist' is. But you'll be happy to hear that the far left gets a regular pasting on FWR. Along with the far right and various other kinds of extremist thinking.

ReflectentMonatomism · 13/01/2019 22:05

I don’t believe that how evil the far left actually are is generally understood.

Yeah, it is. Which is why they are completely unelectable, and their members are usually regarded with some mixture of pity, scorn and contempt. Whenever the hard left seep into the Labour Party, the Tories rejoice. For example, with the Tory Party in complete disarray, a Labour leadership steeped in the moronic attitudes of the 70s hard left is six points behind in the polls, because the general public might not know the minutiae of Leninist Vanguard Parties, but they know wankers when they see them.

Most of the left isn't only evil, it's just stupid. So if you read about senior members of the nastier elements of the left, like the CPGB(ML), you find that as well as forming Stalin Societies (and, it would appear, in the best tradition of Stalin creating fake pictures - Shackleton Hall, Birmingham didn't exist in the 1980s) they're also all a bit thick, as a reading of the turgid prose will reveal.

blog.cpgb-ml.org/tag/ella-rule/

This would be evil, were they not so stupid and ineffectual:

For many years she was also one of the main driving forces behind the Stalin Society. The society was formed in 1991 when a group of anti-revisionist communists that included many of our own leading comrades came together in response to the collapse of the USSR, and in opposition to the deluge of anti-Soviet and anti-Stalin propaganda that followed the collapse. Understanding that the attacks on Stalin were in fact attacks on Leninism and on the building of socialism, the society set itself the unfashionable task of defending the world’s first and mightiest socialist state, and of countering the plethora of lies about its achievements and its leadership

ZuttZeVootEeeVro · 13/01/2019 22:24

At the moment it appears the Golden Ticket to advance in politics is to declare themselves trans. A person such as myself, a chest-feeding, cervix-having, non-male bleeder, doesn't stand a chance.

It clear to me that politics is still very male centered and driven. I don't think safeguarding and feminism are going to be taken seriously without a major culture shift.

LangCleg · 13/01/2019 22:37

What has the hard left - or the hard right, for that matter - have to do with abrogation of safeguarding? Do I see a hobby horse?

AngryAttackKittens · 13/01/2019 22:43

Indeed, and the intention to ride that horse into every thread possible.

LangCleg · 13/01/2019 22:56

Great minds, AAK!

VickyEadie · 13/01/2019 23:03

Pervy blokes is the common factor wrt the dismantling of safeguarding and they are to be found in all political parties.

TallulahWaitingInTheRain · 13/01/2019 23:15

Beware! We're in danger of identifying with pure evil on the left at the same time as shilling for fundamentalist Christians and Rod Liddle on the right. Behold the unexpected political complications of believing that women are people.

LangCleg · 13/01/2019 23:24

"I'm sure you hadn't previously realised, laydeez, but politics is..."

AngryAttackKittens · 13/01/2019 23:29

I personally solve this problem by identifying as having multiple personality disorder. Gretchen votes Conservative, Samantha votes is a Trot, and Dave is a UKIP member (the rest of us pretend not to know Dave if anyone asks).

FloralBunting · 13/01/2019 23:36

I don't know how some people manage to hear anything over the sound of their own ego.

For the persistently obtuse, this comment can be translated as "Your political opinions are utterly irrelevant. Go and have a chat on a general politics forum where men's weighty opinions can be safely left where they don't trip every one up when they're trying to have a conversation about safeguarding. You muppets."

pachyderm · 13/01/2019 23:59

Reflectent great posts about the extreme left and the posh boys cosying up to hard men. I looked up to the Guardian when I was a teenager in the 80s but being Irish, was baffled at their blind spot when it came to the murderous violence of Irish republicans. There was always a way it could be explained away or excused, but it's not how it appeared to those of us closer to the ground. It gave me a lifelong mistrust of the standards we apply to those we decide are on the 'right side' of things and an awareness of how cut off from reality some people are.

Freespeecher · 14/01/2019 00:07

Pachyderm

David Aaronovitch made a similar point in the Times recently about Zoe Williams refusing to condemn various Tories not just being abused but spat at at their Conference a couple of years back (which he compared to the more widespread condemnation of the people calling Soubry a Nazi).

Essentially, more people need to realise that, by respecting the free speech / right not to be subject to spitting of their enemies, they're actually protecting their own such rights (even Glinner has yet to twig this - doesn't seem to see the parallels between his current situation and that of Count 'Nazi Pug' Dankula).

R0wantrees · 14/01/2019 00:48

"I'm sure you hadn't previously realised, laydeez, but politics is..."

YY Lang

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EmpressAdultHumanFemale · 14/01/2019 01:19

You're welcome, Poppy.