Goodbye to women only scholarships

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Oxford ends women-only fellowship after university rules that it breaches equality law

www.telegraph.co.uk/education/2019/01/11/oxford-ends-women-only-fellowship-university-rules-breaches/

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Sadly can’t be more eloquent than

The day when every department is 50% biological male and 50% biological female, and all chairs (or whatever they call their senior positions) are split equally, then that's the day we don't need these awards.

Grrrrrrr

Idiots

Well women only shortlists are now mixed sex. I think we can predict the end of anything "women only".

Surely it can't be a breach of the equality act; if certain groups are under-represented, in this case they clearly are hence the reason for women only fellowship.

Sky are currently running a recruitment campaign for women only to train as Sky engineer's, following the logic of the advice given to Oxford, Sky should scrap this campaign!!

www.standard.co.uk/tech/sky-women-in-home-service-engineering-stem-a3785351.html

I got a women’s scholarship to college, I had to hide it as the guys in our class would have been so huffy and resentful about it. It was 30k and my class was something like 17% women. The woman who endowed the scholarships would be furious if the bequest was changed, it was a famously male environment.

It won't make any difference. If they kept it women only, men would just self ID as women and take it from us that way.

We're all doomed.

But this will never happen!

How can it be against the Equality Act?

How can it be discrimination on the grounds of gender when 'gender' isn't a protected characteristic? Presumably there's an appeals process and the matter will get to be considered by a tribunal with an understanding of the EA?

I wonder if they scrapped it because they know anything aimed at women is a TRA-magnet and they just don’t want to have to deal with that?

Do you think men and women should be 50% each of all jobs or just the high status ones?

I don't see many advocating for women to be 50% of bin collectors.

I think it's to do with employment status as a fellowship not a scholarship.

‘Women only’ is a mockery these days anyway. It’s usually a case of ‘spot the bio male’.

There are still women’s Colleges at Cambridge so I can’t have breached the EA.

I don't see many advocating for women to be 50% of bin collectors.

Is your point that some jobs are only fit to be done by men, or that women only want to cherry pick the nice parts of equality and therefore shouldn't be allowed it?

Equality is the right person competent to do the job, with no sexist hangups about whether that job is better done by or better suited to a man or a woman. Unless providing intimate care to someone is part of the job, the person's sex is irrelevant.

It's been proven that when selections and job appointments are made and the panel don't know which applicants are men or women, significantly more women get appointed than if the panel have the person's biological sex biasing their opinions. Ingrained sexism is a thing. It is much, much harder for an outstanding woman applicant to get into some positions than it is for an average man to get the same position. That's what shortlists and WO positions are aimed to address. To redress that sexism.

There are plenty of women bin collectors.

I don't see many advocating for women to be 50% of bin collectors.

I do. Our local refuse centre has made a concerted effort to employ more women and it’s made a positive change IMO.

Why do anti-feminists always use bin collectors as an example? Why not cleaners or toilet-attendants?

Good. Positive discrimination only masks institutional inequalities. If women can’t win scholarships when competing with their male counterparts then it means that there is something wrong with the women. They were failed at some point before the scholarship application. This problem should be identified and dealt with instead of masking the inequality by giving these women pity scholarships and hoping that no one notices that they are equipped to compete with their male counterparts.

*arent equipped

If women can’t win scholarships when competing with their male counterparts then it means that there is something wrong with the women.

Rubbish. Sexism isn't a fairy, it doesn't vanish because you don't believe in it, there are decades of studies and facts underpinning this stuff it wasn't just dreamed up as a nice idea.

Of the men I trained with in my field, one was in a top senior leadership position within 2 years of qualification. He was low average in terms of performance and skills in the group I trained with. Much higher ability women took ten plus years to get into even the lower levels of senior leadership. People are conditioned to respond differently to people with penises. Ingrained sexism.

I don't see many advocating for women to be 50% of bin collectors.

I don't see too many male CEOs desperate to do it either, so your point is ridiculous, old, boring and frankly irrelevant. Why do people like you not come up with new bullshit? This bullshit is dried up because it's been used so many times and for too long. It still stinks though.

FFS
equality vs equity once again

If women can’t win scholarships when competing with their male counterparts then it means that there is something wrong with the women.

If all appointments were made by computer looking only at qualifications and experience, you would have a point. However, the obvious other reason women are under-represented in senior roles is because of an anti-women bias in the people doing the recruiting. Exactly the same mechanism that goes on when fewer interviews, scholarships and jobs are offered to people with a name or CV that makes it obvious they're not white.

Re bias so much this ^

I once got a job interview only because of my female name and place of birth which pre-assumed the colour of my skin. Their not stated for preference was male, but they wanted to seem ‘fair’ in interview selection and I ticked two boxes, so I only got a look in because of my perceived higher ‘minority’ value.
They actually employed me because I was white, I interviewed well, and was high achieving academically.
Oh and I had to accept an extended probation and lower pay.

Yes they were racist, misogynistic pricks, but I was young and had no parents, so any job in a storm.

Ah, I see the 'bin collectors' argument has been rolled out! 😂