Another 'Pick up artist', this time in Glasgow

[TheGirlOnTheLanding]

I've just read the thread on Twitter on this (I couldn't stomach watching much of the YouTube video) and I'm horrified and depressed in equal measure. How do I teach my DDs to handle arseholes like this? I know at 16, 17 I would have been incredibly intimidated and wouldn't have had the confidence to tell someone to GTF. Slightly encouraged by the fact that the police are taking an interest although I don't know how much they'll do - at least these 'gaming' techniques are being exposed though. Hats off to the BBC for doing that.
https://twitter.com/bbcthesocial/status/1082970676351373313?s=21

Oh my god, this is a bit close to home. I couldn't listen to the audio but read the subtitles. Really upsetting to think young girls are getting drawn into this.

Yes, close to home for me too. I'm just astonished anyone gives him the time of day, but all the stuff about overcoming last minute resistance made me really queasy - not to mention that he's reportedly studying some sort of social care qualification to work with vulnerable adults.

He’s not exactly easy on the eyes, is he?

can't face watching it

what does he do - aggressively approach and follow women around? would that count as harassment?

He looks and sounds like a predator.
He probably would take that as a compliment.

Yeurch. He's horrible. Twitter makes it seem like he might get a hard time in Glasgow now.

Depends what he's up to.
My guess is he's harrassing at least some of the women and the filming is not consented to.
IF and it's a big IF he only approaches women says hello and if they don't chat / aren't interested he fucks off again - well I always HATED having random men talking to me at all but that would be not illegal not pleasant but not the end of the world.
I VERY much doubt that's what he does though. These "PUA" types use tactics to intimidate harrass and scare women and girls and some of them will comply out of simply not knowing how to handle the situation. It's part of the "game" to take advantage of female socialisation + underlying fear to get what they want.
Other question is how old are his "targets" > if they're over about 25 (HAHAHAHAHA) then that's one thing, but usually creepy predatory men target younger women and girls becasuse they often don't know what to do and this is better for the creepy man.

I haven't seen this guys videos > again if he is saying pull loads of women do what you can then this is what lots of men think and so if it's shockign that is becasue most men know better than to say this to women out loud.
If he's one of the pro rape types / advises tactics that amount to harrassment intimidation (and for a 16yo girl that will not take much to make her feel scared) then the police most certainly do need a look.

For me, I'd be happy if it became socially unacceptable for random men to try to chat up women andgirls on the street but I know I'll be seen as a killjoy / too extrme to some! It was the fucking bane of my life when I was young though and meant that all the time I was outside I was on alert just waiting for the next one. Which is a horrible way to live.

He approaches them, and demands their phone number - pursues and won't back off if they don't want to interact. He posts videos on a YouTube, including audio of him having sex with women, and selfies with girls he claims to have 'gamed'. But more disturbing for me was just the way he speaks about women, his attitude to them, and the fact that he's a guy in his thirties harassing teenagers who may not have the confidence to tell him where to go.

oh that is harassment

I also wish it would be socially unacceptable to approach randoms for chatting up but most of my friends think that's awful of me.

"But more disturbing for me was just the way he speaks about women, his attitude to them, "

loads of men think like this but know better than to say it in front of women

The rest of your post > glad the police are looking into it that is harrassment, intimidation etc.

men like this need to fuck off they make women's lives a fuckign misery.

I also wish it would be socially unacceptable to approach randoms for chatting up

Shit, I'd never have met my husband.

I didn't say it would be popular!

Certainly being approached by random men the whole time makes life pretty miserable for lots of women and espeically younger girls.

In the event that you can't differentiate between a "good" approach and a "not good" one - for me - and I did say this was just my opinion! - I'd rather it didn't happen at all.

I'm not asking for a change to the law or anything!

What bothers me is with metoo and things like that - men at work - like normal standard men - start saying "Oh you can;t even talk to a woman any more,you can't look at a woman". In the event that so many men are apparently incapable of understanding when a woman is wanting to chat and when she is not, what harrassment looks like vs being friendly and normal and not intimidating, I'd be comfy with erring on the side of caution! And of course it would shut down all the men who behave really badly. Like this guy.

I was glad to see that Police Scotland seem to be looking into it, and are condemning his behaviour.

I suspect now he has been publicised so widely he.will probably get a kicking be less effective.

Nothing, I think most of us can tell the difference between harrassment and a chat up, but writing it down on paper (or making laws) is not so easy.
I've read hundreds of accounts on MN of women who think it's so sweet their DH was a delivery guy (or whatever) who handed them a phone number or asked them out while they were at work, or in the street, etc. and all lived happily ever after.
But then I've read lots of accounts of pissed off women that they were at work and the delivery guy (or whatever) had the cheek to hand them a phone number or ask them out and they felt humiliated.

He really shouldn’t be allowed near any vulnerable people. If I was his college/uni he’d bee off the course and out the door.

Last minute resistance? Coercion in other words, and if it’s last minute then he’s a fucking rapist as well.

Piece of shit! I know I shouldn’t say this but yeah, I hope he gets a good kicking, because I have no faith in the police to deal with this vermin.

I find it very hard to believe the women consented to having audio of them having sex with him on the internet. So hopefully the police can get him on that. I agree though that I don’t have much faith in them.

I saw this creature on twitter. Face like a backside.

I find it hard to believe any woman would consent to having sex with him at all. He wouldn’t need to have game or whatever he calls it to get a shag otherwise. I’m no oil painting and I’ve never had any problem with women being interested in me.

These women were bullied and intimidated into letting him stick his dick in them more like.

deydo

I specifically said I wasn't asking for any laws, and it was entirely my own perspective based on my own experience.

So why are you posting things to me like "Nothing, I think most of us can tell the difference between harrassment and a chat up, but writing it down on paper (or making laws) is not so easy."?

You seem to have focussed in on what I said for some reason and misinterprested it.

"I think most of us can tell the difference between harrassment and a chat up"

Lots of men handwringing around metoo "OH we can't even talk to a woman any more!" would indicate otherwise TBH.

Although in fact of course they do they just like giving it the poor us when women express reasonable dismay at how they are treated by some men.

Anyway.

Nothing, I was engaging you in conversation. If "Nothing, I think most of us can tell the difference between harrassment and a chat up, but writing it down on paper (or making laws) is not so easy." came across as having a go, or taking exception to what you said, it wasn't meant to.
"Nothing", was merely to show I was responding in general to your comment, without quoting a load of text.
"I think most of us can" wasn't meant to sound preachy or condescending, I was continuing your line of thought along the lines of we (women) can tell what is a "good" approach or a "not good approach", but that it' would be difficult to create a law which stopped one but not the other. (I know you didn't propose making a law, I was just musing over the possibility of making a law, which I know you didn't suggest. I don't mean to suggest that you did suggest it.
Sorry.
"Lots of men handwringing around metoo "OH we can't even talk to a woman any more!" would indicate otherwise TBH."
By most of us, I meant the women being approached by random men, not the men themselves.

Ah -
Danger of the written word - hard to tell tone!

Pick up artists are predatory scum from the shallow end of the gene pool. If he keeps doing this in Glasgow someone is going to glass him sooner or later.

Update:

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-46843880

He's been charged but it doesn't say what with.

That's good news. Hope whatever they are the charges stick.