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La Scapigliata Safeguarding article: 'What is wrong with child sex dolls and why P should not be a part of LGBT+'

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R0wantrees · 09/01/2019 19:04

Important article by La Scapigliata 'Writer, doctor, feminist, wearer of many hats.'

concludes:
"Worst of all is the practical misogyny involved in dismissing women’s concerns in conversations about sexual violence, and bad faith arguments which are asserted with impunity. For example, just because there are some paedophiles who haven’t, allegedly, molested a child yet, doesn’t mean that they haven’t abused children by proxy, by using child porn. And if there is a single therapist that can prove, beyond any reasonable doubt (keeping in mind the grooming, and the lies and the DARVO) that there is a group of paedophiles that have most certainly never molested or groomed or viewed porn, I’d like to see that evidence. Because without being psychic, the only thing that can be proven is absence of conviction/getting caught, not the other way around.

"I’d also like to compare the numbers of that hypothetical group of proven non-offending paedophiles with numbers of actual sex offenders and their victims, and then I’d like to have a conversation about what ushering marriage equality, prevention of employment discrimination, laws against “paedophobia” and encouraging paedophiles to march in Pride marches, would do for safeguarding frameworks and indeed for treatment that aims to reduce offending.

My position is that it would do nothing for either, in fact it would increase harm to children by normalising fantasies about child molestation and by putting state power behind paedophile grooming tactics. It would dismantle safeguarding frameworks in a similar way that transactivism is already doing, and it would make it near impossible for victims to discuss what was being done to them without them being accused of “paedophobia”.

"We need to circle right back to the existing laws that prevent paedophiles from marrying children, that allow employers to refuse to employ paedophiles in jobs that bring them in close contact with children and that allow us all to be concerned about paedophiles manipulating their way into easier access to victims without making us guilty of a ”hate crime”, in the same way that we are circling back to the sex exemptions under the Equality Act that prevent men from entering women-only spaces.

The laws that safeguard children from paedophiles, and allow LGBT+ community to exclude paedophiles, are here because the danger of not having these safeguards has been clearly established in our society, and yes with studies and “empirical evidence”. So why are certain people ignoring the reasons these laws already exist? Why are they focusing discussion on portraying (potential) perpetrators of sexual crimes as “victims”? Why are they calling for empathy toward paedophiles while accusing people who focus on protecting their victims of “moral panic”? We have plenty of historical evidence that paedophile rights activism has always done this, and it has been repelled each time because it was proven to be dangerous, so what makes this iteration any different?"

lascapigliata8.wordpress.com/2019/01/04/what-is-wrong-with-child-sex-dolls-and-why-p-should-not-be-a-part-of-lgbt/

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heresyandwitchcraft · 09/01/2019 19:57

Oh this entire piece is depressing because it's so true yet seems to be needed to say AGAIN.... Have we not leaned anything?

La Scapigliata Star Gin THANK YOU.
And big thanks to R0wan for the share.

The parallels of the erosion of safeguarding of women vs children seemed so apparent to me, but even more so after reading this piece.

Why are people buying into this?!

Putting more quotes in:

Which brings me to another extraordinary claim – that men who declare sexual interest in molesting children can be trusted when they say they are “no contact paedophiles”, and that P should be included into LGBT+.

Paedophiles lie a lot, especially about their level of dangerousness. They’ve historically forced children to marry them (and still do in some countries) so they can abuse them with impunity. When they’re caught grooming, molesting, or using child porn, they protest their innocence despite all evidence to the contrary, and their passive aggressive rage usually takes the form of claiming to be falsely accused and the real victims, while describing their victims as perpetrators (child seduced them, didn’t you know?). More significantly, paedophiles groom therapists, just like they groom children, parents and society, and grooming has one goal – to gaslight others into ignoring red flags, which enables paedophiles to abuse more easily.

Also, paedophiles typically don’t disclose their fantasies about molesting children or their history of using child porn or offending (unless they’ve been caught) when they apply for jobs in which they’ll get to work with children, not because they “fear discrimination” but because they fear being denied access to potential victims.

VickyEadie · 09/01/2019 20:00

Just to say that some of us predicted this attempt at normalizing paedophilia would come hanging on the shirt tails of the TEA movement. And here it is.

AncientLights · 09/01/2019 20:02

Is there a push to include the P in the rest of the alphabet soup? Shock

DontBuyANewMumCashmere · 09/01/2019 20:06

Surprised to see the normally awesome La Scapigliata using the term "child porn".
She says she works with sex offenders but anyone with any experience in this area would know to use the term 'child abuse images'.
Somewhat disappointed. (Although haven't read the article and I'm sure it's fantastic apart from that.)

lascapigliata · 09/01/2019 20:34

Hi! Thank you for this comment. Just wanted to let you know I now changed the terminology to “child abuse images”.
Truth is, I used the terms which are commonly used, for easier understanding and searchability, but you are absolutely right that it is important to keep it very clear that we are in fact talking about abuse.

Also just to clarify, I have been retired from medicine since developing complications from autoimmune illness, so I mainly write now.

Thanks so much everyone for your kind words, and thank you for opposing this xx

heresyandwitchcraft · 09/01/2019 20:35

Is there a push to include the P in the rest of the alphabet soup?

Perhaps so...

A thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3467841-How-to-report-paedophiles-on-Twitter

heresyandwitchcraft · 09/01/2019 20:37

lascapigliata
Thanks again for your great piece, and also for all your great feminist work. Gin, Wine or Brew?

R0wantrees · 09/01/2019 20:38

lascapigliata
Thank you so much for writing such important articles. Flowers

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DontBuyANewMumCashmere · 09/01/2019 20:47

Thanks for responding and sorry for the criticism. I feel passionately about that term.

You're awesome. 💚💜💚💜

lascapigliata · 09/01/2019 21:35

Thank you so much R0wantrees and 🤗❤️
DontBuyANewMumCashmere Any time! Please don’t be sorry, I always appreciate constructive feedback. We’re all in this together. xx

tellmewhenthespaceshiplands · 09/01/2019 22:13

Thanks for starting ROwan and lascapigliata for excellent writing.

I haven't actually got any words to describe how sick this makes me feel.

tellmewhenthespaceshiplands · 09/01/2019 22:14

Thanks for starting ROwan and lascapigliata for excellent writing.

I haven't actually got any words to describe how sick this makes me feel.

LangCleg · 09/01/2019 22:18

This is such an important article lascapigliata.

We have frameworks and protocols for a reason.

Thank you for writing it.

userschmoozer · 09/01/2019 22:21

Its an excellent article, and this is one reason why I'm so defensive about protecting the age of consent.

TallulahWaitingInTheRain · 09/01/2019 22:23

Hey ls. Thanks for writing this, it needed saying.

peanut2017 · 09/01/2019 22:44

Thanks for this article @lascapigliata very clearly written and to the point. Such a worrying time and crazy to think that this type of cruelty to children is being normalised.

Actually makes my stomach turn to think that this agenda is being pushed but it's not surprising

feministfairy · 10/01/2019 01:12

I see that the national library for Scotland has had a special tribute honouring the founder of the Paedophile Information Exchange. Amazing how easy it is to find people in institutions celebrating paeodophiles:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/library-set-up-tribute-to-paedophile-campaigner-ian-dunn-tnwmxz6gt?shareToken=e69987598221f038c7d6dd2e731dc6a9

arranbubonicplague · 10/01/2019 12:27

From The TImes :

At his funeral one young man claimed that he had been raped by Dunn when he was 15, telling mourners: “I just came to make sure he was dead.”

I remember reading that in an account of Dunn and PIE some time ago. And then, more recently, a young man made a similar comment at the funeral of a sports coach who had been investigated by decades of abuse.

Like the MN member and her ongoing dispute with the BBC about Savile - reading praise about your abuser and now seeing exhibitions lauding them must be agonising on a very visceral level.

R0wantrees · 10/01/2019 12:49

in previous thread OP PimmsnLemonade wrote:
"No direct accusations against Edward Lord (the 'non-binary' freemason who is trying to remove single-sex spaces in London) but here he is describing as a "hero" a man who was a member of the Paedophile Information Exchange (PIE) and is a continuing "advocate" for paedophiles:"

twitter.com/edwardlord/status/958632082762321922

www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/10948796/Paedophilia-is-natural-and-normal-for-males.html

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3352843-First-there-was-Jess-Bradley-then-the-Challenors-now-Edward-Lord

La Scapigliata Safeguarding article:  'What is wrong with child sex dolls and why P should not be a part of LGBT+'
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Njordsgrrrl · 10/01/2019 15:01

r.e child sex dolls I always called bullshit on the harm reduction argument mainly because a paedophile would eventually get bored with it. Abusers rarely prey on a single victim. On the link I see they come with a variety of wigs presumably to simulate this.

Stop the world 🙄

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