Update on Canadian Ball-Waxing Case: Now JY Might Be Named!

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www.nelsonstar.com/news/human-rights-complaint-lodged-by-transgender-woman-against-surrey-spa-revisited/

I initially had trouble figuring out exactly what this article is saying, but I think I got the gist & it's good news:

Last August, as we all know, a Canadian claiming to be a "transgender woman" identified publicly as only JY filed a human rights complaint against Mint Tanning Lounge, Shelah Poyer and Jeremy Paradis for discrimination because of their refusal to wax "her" scrotum on the grounds that they are trained, equipped & willing to wax female genitals only. But once MTL et al went ahead & hired their own lawyers, JY immediately dropped the complaint against them - while leaving intact the 14 similar complaints JY also made against 14 other waxers, all of them women, who refused to wax JY's lady balls as well.

MTL responded by asking for the case to be re-instated so they can defend themselves against JY & "her" accusations face to face - & now Human Rights Tribunal member Devyn Cousineau has granted that request. So apparently there will be a (public?) hearing of some sort in the JY vs. MTL et al case.

At the same time, Cousineau has decided that allowing JY to retain "her" protected, privileged status as The Person Who Must Not Be Named might not be fair to the defendants in the MTL case or the 14 other women JY has filed human rights complaints against. So the Human Rights Tribunal is now considering allowing JY's name to be made public:

...Cousineau found “simply no evidence” that JY’s complaint (against MTL et al) was frivolous, vexatious, egregious or false. She reasoned, though, that the respondents to JY’s other complaints have an interest in following the progress and outcome of the other similar complaints.

“This cannot happen if (JY’s) name is not associated with the complaints. Depending on my ultimate findings in respect of this complaint, there may — or may not — be a public interest in publishing (JY’s) name.”

Cousineau also noted JY “does not provide any evidence to explain the apparent inconsistencies between the basis on which she sought a publication ban and her public profile on the internet.”

And most of the world knows what JY's public profile on the internet reveals about "her"...

For example, it is discrimination to fire an employee based on a concern that they are at risk of developing a disability that might affect their abilities.

I'd be fascinated to know what issue prompted this wording.

It would presumably be illegal to discriminate against anyone at risk of developing a disability by refusing to wear safety gear or drinking cleaning products.

According to this article, JCCF are representing another of the women as well as Shelah Poyer.

So assuming that case hasn't also been dropped they could still now push for the reporting ban to be lifted. If I was them I'd be pushing for this now as a matter of urgency - with a separate hearing just to decide this if necessary. I'm not a lawyer though and I'm not in Canada so I might be talking out of my hat

That article is nice and clear pencils. It's quite astonishing that this situation has evolved. There seems to be a push from all sides to stick it to these poor bloody women.

Surely it will be resolved in their favour, though. At some point.

Otherwise you can have the ridiculous situation of every bloke in the country doing the same thing.

Pencils There is no mention of JY or Poyer or anyone else involved with the JY complaints on the JCCF website at present. There's a page listing & explaining the JCCF's current cases, but nada about any waxing cases or JY. When I put the names (full names as well as with initials) of each of the parties involved in the site's internal search bar, zip came up.

Has the JCCF dropped the JY case(s)? Or has the BCHuman Rights Tribunal told them not to publish any info that might seem to be about JY? Or are they just being cautious so JY won't lodge complaints or lawsuits against the JCCF itself? At this point, there's no way to tell.

JY has been hunting down anyone on Twitter who retweeted an image of him with one of the Twitter founders and complaining to Twitter about breach of copyright.

To appeal against the complaint, one has to effectively dox oneself.

This is still up. I don't think they've written anything on their site since.
As far as I know they're only handling Poyer (which has been dropped) plus one other, who may not want any details reported. She wasn't named in the article I linked. KF is probably the best source to keep an eye on for further news.

KF is probably the best source to keep an eye on for further news.

I have reservations about KF (I got a telling off for suggesting that people should inform themselves about the nature of KF), but since these matters are so serious, and are ignored/actively suppressed by the media and the establishment, it's better to have and use KF than not.

New to Mumsnet. Got kicked off Twitter for uttering its name and stating it's sex, which it decides it is on a daily basis. Glad to see that its name may be out in open soon. Amazed the mainstream media haven't really mentioned this, but then it's more like a story you'd read in Chat or That's Life !

Welcome! Just so you know MN, isn't a place of absolute free speech (I'm not obsessive over it being absolute either) but so long as you go along with the very variable rules, there's much you can discuss here.

That sounds reasonable, and I'm a reasonable person :-) as you no doubt know, Twitter is no longer a place for free speech, even if it is just stating a fact. Best behaviour :-)

Melarnee Welcome to Mumsnet. I'm not usually a trawler of T&M's but perhaps it's worth you having a read so that you're aware of the current climate. We've had whole threads deleted in the past and this one is just too important to risk.

The Feminist Chat board is a god send.

Of course. I have read the thread and will not utter anything that would close down this discussion. Honestly had got very angry about the stifling of discussion on twitter so literally self sabotaged myself.