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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Transmen confronted by security guards at men's toilet

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Juells · 04/01/2019 21:34

I found this baffling.

www.telegraph.co.uk/education/2018/12/21/transgender-students-win-apology-told-use-gender-neutral-toilets/

Can you imagine that happening to transwomen in a university? The implication is pretty obvious, isn't it?

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nauticant · 06/01/2019 14:21

Frowns at the concept of gander's penis sauce

AngryAttackKittens · 06/01/2019 14:26

Seems to me that the problem here isn't that the two female people in this case were thrown out of the men's, but that their male equivalents wouldn't have been thrown out of the women's.

PositivelyPERF · 06/01/2019 14:50

NGS security finished their response with:

“It has now been clarified to all concerned that any person can use whichever toilet aligns with their gender identity."

I’m envisioning the boss, throwing his/her hands up in the air and saying, “FFS! We can’t do right for doing wrong. Let them go wherever the fuck they want!”

Juells · 06/01/2019 14:50

Men are just as firm about enforcing the "no women allowed" rules as they are in insisting TWAW.

Yes, very manly and firm.

Seems to me that the problem here isn't that the two female people in this case were thrown out of the men's, but that their male equivalents wouldn't have been thrown out of the women's.

Yes, that's exactly the problem.

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FlyingOink · 09/01/2019 13:27

Sorry to resurrect an old thread but I disagree with the last few posts. There's nothing to suggest men's complaining resulted in the guard confronting those two. It's much more likely the guard noticed the behaviour was odd, and that they'd be at risk in the gents (or the guard has previous experience of women selling blowjobs in the gents, it happens). Either way I very much doubt a young man complained and that's the cause of the action.
Assuming that is the case when it not clear that it is means writing off the different reactions as just sexism: man complains and something is done, woman complains and is called a TERF.
Whereas in this case the guard is much more likely to have acted to prevent something worse happening, and looking out for the two. Because I'm pretty sure that as a security guard he would have seen plenty of examples of violence including possibly sexual violence.
So the question is why does this reaction not happen when a man goes into the women's? Well I think it does. A man identifiable as a man is challenged.
OTOH, a transwoman isn't seen as a man, not a proper, scary, possibly violent man, by other men. As per previous posters on other threads, men assume that giving up manhood to "downgrade" to being a laydee means that person doesn't have the cojones to be violent or sexually aggressive. This assumption, that "sissies" pose no danger, means women have a hard time convincing men we don't want them in our spaces.
I'd bet £10 a random security guard would have no problem chucking Danielle Muscato out of a loo, but would assume Jenner was ok. Because one has stubble and the other wears thousands of pounds worth of designer gear. Ironically the latter is probably much bigger and stronger.

GCSocScientist · 09/01/2019 19:32

I reckon it’s time for a new coalition, female and male, called Pissing in Peace: save our bladders from your validatory battlegrounds.

EggOfScotland · 09/01/2019 20:16

Blokes toilets are often pretty grim to be fair. When I worked in an office my fellow men would often use the ladies in the instance they needed a John Woo and there were none of our female team members on the floor that day.

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