How are people in authority not seeing this?

[Juells]

After Jimmy Saville, Catholic priests, paedophile rings, all the warnings and disasters that have come to light over the past thirty years, why are authorities queuing up to allow people who are neither experts nor educators to have unfettered access to children, to talk to them about their identity and sexuality? It's like a feeding frenzy, where men are being welcomed in with open arms to tell everyone that safe spaces aren't required. Filling children's heads with ideas that they're not old enough to understand. Bypassing parents, agreeing to keep secrets from parents, over-ruling parents.

It's so bonkers that it makes me want to cry. People have learned nothing from the abuse that children have been subjected to in the past when there was inadequate safeguarding. At least there was an excuse in the past, because things were hushed up. But there's no excuse now.

I think the people are .. being controlled from higher up. Unfortunately.

I agree Juells, it's completely and utterly mind blowing and rage inducing in equal measure.

Is it that currently, being seen to be inclusive and progressive trump everything else including common sense and that we're also seeing the results of the years and years of grooming performed on our government and institutions by pressure groups with an agenda?

Adults interfering with the absolutely normal process of identity formation as children grow up.

What could possibly go wrong?

It beggars belief, I know.

I think they are aware

Hence the complete avoidance of answering any question and just adopting the modern day burn the witch stance.

They can't expose it without exposing themselves that's the trouble.

Same old same old innit. Some powerful people will get away with what they can, for as long as they can, and some other powerful people will keep their mouths shut as long as the consequences are less bad For them. Sooner or later it’ll all be brought out into the open and we’ll get the usual platitudes, we were caught off guard and lessons need to be learned etc. Of course they will have been told, repeatedly, but that will be conveniently forgotten.

I think it's like the smoke filled room experiment www.weirduniverse.net/blog/comments/the_smoke_filled_room - when people see others around them not saying anything they don't say anything, so no one admits there is a problem.

People at the top of these public sector and major voluntary sector orgs have either 1) bought into the ideology 2) don't want to risk their careers by being seen as not inclusive or 3) discount what women are saying, and pay more attention to men (and don't notice they are doing it because they have got the categories of sex and gender expression mixed up)

People who are not thinking about it closely are slotting the issue into their mental model about LGB.... Organisations were slow to stand up for gay rights and don't want to be "on the wrong side of history"

Still it astounds me, after Saville, after Catholic Church, after Oxfam, after #metoo that people are still willing to make carve outs into safeguarding for some group of people who are seen as occupying a moral high ground.

Children and women are not important. They don’t need to see it, they don’t need to worry about it, they literally do not care what is happening. Their bank accounts are important, their careers are important, their connections and co-ops are important. Men have always sold women and children to the highest bidder. This is nothing new.

I agree.
I have a suspicion that to lots of people (who go along with it without question, and talk about the brave stunning "women") it's easy inclusion.
It’s a way to be doing the charitable thing without it affecting them - like autism awareness, except no-one actually wants to change what they do or how they do it because people are inherently selfish. Accepting trans ideology at all costs is easy, all you have to do is nothing.

Agree with you OP. However I do think that people in power absolutely see the issues. They are either complicit because it works to their advantage (career progression, awards, money and grants, or in some cases perhaps more sinister reasons) or else they have been trussed up like Christmas turkeys by years of gradual grooming and pressure. If they come out and say anything they will be in fear of admit their own complicity up to now.
It’s a proper stitch up.

The smoke-filled room experiment is looking incredibly pertinent, Feministme.

I'm also starting to think that some of the "woke bros" are actually pretty uncomfortable themselves around gender nonconforming people and are projecting their own repressed distaste onto others. How else to explain their ability to illogically accuse lesbians and aging feminists of harbouring irrational hatred for all gender non-conforming people?

I think a fair number of them are hiding in the crowd, each of them hoping some higher authority will do something about it and take the problem away from them.

I think some of it might be a reaction to s28. For years children were not allowed to be taught anything about homosexuality at all. Now even the tories have agreed that s28 was A Bad Thing it's like everyone is paralysed to object to anything aimed at children if it has a LGBTQWERTY label on it.

Attaching the T to LGB was the biggest gravy boat ever for TRAs. Without that none of this would be happening. They managed to get the world to view it as just another type of sexuality.

1. They don't want to see it.
2. They want to be seen as progressive/right-on/cool
3. They figure by the time the shit really hots the fan, they'll be long gone
4. They don't give a fuck because it "doesn't affect them" (even though it will)
5. They don't give a fuck because they're men

etc.

Take your pick...

I think some of it might be a reaction to s28.

I think s28 is a big factor too.

That and the old saying - they are so open minded that their brains have fallen out.

Agree with all of the above.
Imagine a school deciding to appoint someone who is under investigation for knowingly employing a pedophile to an advisory position that includes advising about children / schools. Knowingly to put someone with that allegation against them in a position to consult, comment, advise on matters relating to children and schools before the issues have been resolved.
A school doing would be judged inadequate by Ofsted for failing to apply safeguarding procedures. Yet a charity like Stonewall - hugely influential in schools - openly does this without any hesitation. And is furious when there is one press article calling them out for this.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/new-lottery-bonanza-for-transgender-lobby-3bqjhr730?shareToken=cabdcca45e4f976c772b15091f8c41c5

Still it astounds me, after Saville, after Catholic Church, after Oxfam, after #metoo that people are still willing to make carve outs into safeguarding for some group of people who are seen as occupying a moral high ground.

I think it's worth emphasizing the importance of ‘victimhood’ in establishing moral superiority. Victimhood not only elicits compassion – 'victims' are exempt from challenges to their veracity, good faith, expertise, rationality.

Nobody ever in the history of the world has been born into the wrong body. We are our body. So trans people either have gender dysphoria, which is a problem I'm sure they'd rather not have, or a fetish. Why are either of those groups allowed access to children, to tell them it's normal?

I agree with the victim statement above - a movement for privileged white males to claim to be vulnerable, powerless victims.
Sit back and watch the patriarchy in action for the right kind of victim.

I'm also starting to think that some of the "woke bros" are actually pretty uncomfortable themselves around gender nonconforming people and are projecting their own repressed distaste onto others. How else to explain their ability to illogically accuse lesbians and aging feminists of harbouring irrational hatred for all gender non-conforming people?

This is a really interesting point Pineapple and one I've seen expressed before, puts me in mind of these tweets regarding disgust tolerance from the amazing woman who wrote The New Backlash .

I don't think she's on Twitter these days which is a real shame.

Badstyley-- the sooner and the later have ALREADY HAPPENED. I'm starting to embrace tin hattery and think that a lot of very high up people are controlling the direction of society here. There is thought control and silenced politicians. Bloggers and websites are being shut down to protect sexual predators. And WE are the bad guys. In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

For me, this has been a real wake up call about how easy it is for a very few people to use human behaviour to influence the actions of the majority.
There is no carrot in this scenario, long term there is only the stick, and at some point the fake virtue crowd are going to wake up to that.
Then there will be some kind of mindless group backlash. Its all so tedious and predictable.

How are people in authority not seeing this?

They are and a few of them are pushing it.
This is not being campaigned for by Joe piblic, It's being pushed from above.

I'm still baffled that the NSPCC advise that children over the age of 10 shouldn't share a bedroom with somebody of the opposite sex, but can't bring themselves to define somebody of the opposite sex.

Also the idea that nobody would identify as trans if they weren't trans, but Stonewall's definition of trans includes pretty much everyone.

The most disappointing thing is that people who I respect for being able to pull apart policy on the Irish Border in great detail somehow think self ID wouldn't affect the EA.

When it comes to the big things that affect our lives- the economy, the environment, etc, there is surprisingly little that a national government can do to affect those things in isolation.

But of course every government wants to be seen to be doing something. Hence the rise in the political world of the pressure group, representing marginal social issues that governments can actually do something about. Our elected representatives are entirely in thrall to single intest pressure groups, Commissioners, Commissions, etc. These put forward proposals for legislative and executive change, which MPs etc run with. The trans lobby is a particularly well organised example.

A related problem is the very low calibre of most our of elected representatives- MPs, Ministers, etc. The reality is the vast majority of them couldn’t think their way out of a paper bag, let alone analyse the report a pressure group hands to them. No idea why this is- perhaps it is that MPs’ salaries are no longer competitive enough to attract the truly bright, perhaps the general contempt for politics means that the talented and clever pass it up as a career.

And of course, the leaders of the pressure groups, Commissioners, etc, probably do see. But these people do very well out of it.

So, ineffectiveness and low calibre of politicians/MPs, on the one hand, and greed on part of pressure group gravy trainers. A toxic combination.