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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

California's Women's March cancelled for fear of being "too white"

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Terfing · 30/12/2018 18:30

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6539997/Womens-March-event-canceled-rally-goers-fear-event-overwhelmingly-white.html

Women's March planners in Humboldt County, California, canceled the event because it was 'lacking representation from several perspectives'

Critics decried the decision pointing out that the particular region of California is overwhelmingly white to begin with

I find this quite sad. To cancel the event for this reason just causes further divisions, I feel. I'm not particularly a fan of the Women's March because of their thoughts on gender, but I probably would march if there was one in the UK.

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PencilsInSpace · 31/12/2018 19:54

Theresa May?

This is what Theresa May did.

Fucking hell.

Shitmewithyourrhythmstick · 31/12/2018 19:55

Yup. Does this kind of thing ever happen in other movements? After 20+ years in the LGBT community, I can tell you that I've never heard of anything being cancelled because it was too male, despite women being massively under-represented (and actively marginalised).

Well it wouldn't be would it! Because penis.

FWRLurker · 31/12/2018 20:07
  1. Challenge the practice of certain men to use women's bodies for their sexual gratification against women's wishes. Promote laws and public norms which strongly punish such actions. Advocate for education of women and girls to have strong boundaries and strong voices to protect themselves from such men.
  1. Challenge the right of the state to control women's bodies via laws and medical practice which prevent women from receiving appropriate care. Promote proper research into womens' medical conditions. Promote retraining of doctors to better treat women.
  1. Challenge gender stereotyping which indoctrinates children and reinforces a male dominated society. Promote labor laws which outlaw the use of stereotyping in hiring and firing.
  1. Challenge any and all cultural practice that contributes to women's oppression, regardless of its religious, political, or societal origin. Promote laws which outlaw such practices.

"I'm curious...what are "white women's issues?""

Some liberal feminists believe that #4 cannot be a feminist goal any longer because it might alienate certain religious or ethnic groups to say too loudly that e.g. FGM, or forms of toxic masculinity practiced by men from certain minority groups should be challenged. The argument is that if a woman who was white were advocating against practices that are practiced by another ethic group this would be "white feminist colonization" (again in US centric speak).

I feel this is a problem because women with power on some axis of oppression should stand up for women who don't have that privilege most of all. This is supposed to be what intersectionality is about - using the voice we do have to help those who don't have it.

EJennings · 31/12/2018 20:13

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IfNotNowBernard · 31/12/2018 20:20

I'm with you there EJennings
I just don't have any time for divide and conquer crap. In REAL LIFE women are underpaid, undervalued and have worse outcomes regarding financial security and sexual safety.
That's what I care about. All this theoretical poetry is just meaningless.

PencilsInSpace · 31/12/2018 20:50

Directly because of Theresa May's 'hostile environment' (this is what she did as Home Secretary before becoming Our Dear Leader):

A fuckton of BAME people, female and male, who are legally British are caught up in the Kafkaesque nightmare that is the Windrush scandal

Landlords are refusing to rent to non-white British tenants

BAME women and children are sleeping on the streets, on night buses, in A&E waiting rooms

Destitute BAME women with children are too afraid to seek help

Immigration checks have spread across public services, with the NHS demanding identification before treatment or charging patients, while sharing their information with the Home Office, and banks carrying out status checks on current accounts.

Police have reported victims of crime, including a woman who was raped, to immigration enforcement and teachers say migrant families are too “terrified” to attend meetings or sign up for free school meals.

Monitors cite the decision to drive Home Office vans telling illegal immigrants to “go home or face arrest” around Britain in 2013 as a turning point for the “hostile environment” policy, which the government recently rebranded as the “compliant environment”.

“Right to rent” checks requiring landlords in England to check prospective tenants’ immigration status, or face fines and criminal prosecution, have sparked particular concern and are the subject of a legal challenge.

How the fuck anyone has the nerve to come here and lecture us on 'white feminism' while extolling the virtues of Theresa fucking May I have no clue. It exhibits a level of woke cluelessness only matched by the women's march itself.

PencilsInSpace · 31/12/2018 20:58

And yes, white feminism is weaponised by these bullshit third wavers.

White women attending the women's march in the US are routinely berated over the number of white women who voted for Trump. This is just a guess here but the white women who voted for trump and the white women in pussy hats are not likely to have much overlap as groups. What are white feminist women supposed to do with that?

Beyond sit down, shut up and feel bad - what exactly is expected of them? Who does this benefit?

GrinitchSpinach · 31/12/2018 22:58

White women attending the women's march in the US are routinely berated over the number of white women who voted for Trump. This is just a guess here but the white women who voted for trump and the white women in pussy hats are not likely to have much overlap as groups.

I think it is difficult for people in other countries to understand, and even difficult for many Americans to understand, the extremely high correlation between evangelical Christianity and Trump support among women. Much has been written on the college/non-college educational divide, but a much higher correlation exists between evangelical beliefs and Trump support.

Look at this:

www.cookpolitical.com/analysis/national/national-politics/getting-know-white-voters

White evangelical women without a college degree give Trump a 68 percent job approval rating, while those with a degree give him a much lower, though still positive 51 percent approval rating. Meanwhile, Trump’s approval among white, non-evangelical women without a college degree is 35 percent, just five points higher than the 30 percent approval rating he gets from white, non-evangelical college-educated women.

The white women who do support Trump are ultimately responsible for their actions. At the same time, I find it disingenuous to discuss this support outside of the context of the overarching intensely patriarchal religious fundamentalist communities in which they are raised from infancy quite explicitly to submit to men.

TheVoiceOfRaisin · 31/12/2018 23:02

NAWWALT?

Jokes aside, this perfectly illustrates my gripe with class analysis.

TheVoiceOfRaisin · 31/12/2018 23:03

Doh, forgot to add the bit I was quoting.

White women attending the women's march in the US are routinely berated over the number of white women who voted for Trump. This is just a guess here but the white women who voted for trump and the white women in pussy hats are not likely to have much overlap as groups.

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