How you destroy gender

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What you do is celebrate it like it a jewel, full of wondrous things. You indulge in it like you are it's biggest fan.

It's like destroying the negative aspects of factory farming and animal welfare through a form of vegetarianism that involves eating, not just cows, sheep and chickens, but almost every possible permutation of farmed animal flesh, whatever their provenance.

Yes, the patriarchy will never guess you are actually working to undermine gender, because you will be so completely wedded to the idea of gender it will just think you are another adherent. It's a cunning plan!

birdsbeforethestorm.net/2017/08/let-me-tell-you-what-a-good-job-my-friends-are-doing-of-destroying-gender/#more-3960

What a load of gubbins. The writer clearly has no idea.

Here, for example, is what they think the GC position is:

"based on my genetics, society has determined that I am a woman and assigned me certain roles in society."

No, my genetics have determined that I am a woman, and based on that society has assigned me certain roles in society.

What's the word for a meat-eating vegetarian? Oh yes: hypocrite,

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I think I'll pass, I'd rather buy The Sun

Re Laurie Penny & transwoman Margaret Killjoy (author of OP article)

twitter.com/mrkhtake2/status/1079066471123292160

Interesting that only a year before, this person wrote this:

I’ll leave the God part out of it because I’ve got my opinions on that and maybe you’ve got yours. But I’ve usually got a beard and I usually wear dresses. Personally, I default to the men’s room — I’m genderqueer and not a woman, and while the men’s room at a truck stop isn’t the nicest place to be nonbinary, I feel slightly less likely to be harassed for using it versus the women’s.

My bold

That's minutes of my life I'll never get back.

Mememe. Word salad. Women who tell me the truth are evil. Mememe.

How original.

I thought it was a corker of an example of completely missing the point and being far too clever for your own good.

The inability to comprehend very basic GC ideas, the wit to use a phrase like 'abolish gender' but to dismiss it as impossible so decide the way to destroy gender is to just change what the word destroy means and use it for 'completely accept gender as the only possible set of boxes to live in'.

I wonder if Margaret ever 'completed' a Rubix cube by peeling off all the stickers and putting them back on?

I followed that Twitter link and good grief - a slip dress accessorised by a beard guarantees safety in the men’s loos in a truck stop, obvs.

I quite like the repeated use of "what TERFS don't understand is..."
Because this person holds the truth.

I followed that Twitter link and good grief - a slip dress accessorised by a beard guarantees safety in the men’s loos in a truck stop, obvs.

It's good to know! They should tell some of their more reticent friends that they are safer in the men's.

I wonder if Margaret ever 'completed' a Rubix cube by peeling off all the stickers and putting them back on?

I remember arguing with my younger brother about that. "You HAVEN'T actually completed it!"

I wonder if Margaret ever 'completed' a Rubix cube by peeling off all the stickers and putting them back on?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

I guess Margaret would consider him creative and me unimaginative and conservative and not strategic enough. Hey ho.

Is it this person?

twitter.com/magpiekilljoy/status/1069985379565092865?s=19

TERFs are "feminists" in the same way that Nazis are "socialist." Which is to say they're not, but they put the word into their title to try to recruit wellmeaning people into their systems of hate.

"I won't lie to anyone I won't punch"

So womanly.

''What I wish trans activists better understood (besides really basic shit like “isolating some of the most vulnerable members of society on the basis of their sex is deplorable and anti-feminist”) is that this kind of 'action' does nothing to liberate oppressed women, especially the women who cant use mixed sex spaces and will be forced to stay at home.''

FTFY.

I wonder if Margaret ever 'completed' a Rubix cube by peeling off all the stickers and putting them back on?

Im sorry...whats wrong with doing this....shows initiative
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OR SO IVE HEARD.... I HAVE NO ACTUAL EXPERIENCE OF ANY OF THAT HAPPENING

Why is there a catchy phrase for trans exclusive feminists but not one for trans inclusive feminists

TERF and TILF

TERFs are "feminists" in the same way that Nazis are "socialist." Which is to say they're not, but they put the word into their title to try to recruit wellmeaning people into their systems of hate.

cf Helen Lewis New Stateman article following T. Wolf's conviction for assaulting Maria Maclachlan:

20 APRIL 2018
'The madness of our gender debate, where feminists defend slapping a 60-year-old woman
It seems swivel-eyed to condemn rhetorical “attacks” and blithely ignore physical ones.'
(extract)
ou would have thought that a feminist getting punched in the face would be reasonably large news – particularly if her attacker had boasted online earlier of wanting to “fuck up” some feminists, comparing them to fascists. But the conviction of the person who attacked 60-year-old Maria MacLachlan at Speakers’ Corner last year didn’t trouble the pages of the Guardian, where I would normally expect to hear about something that veers close to being a hate crime, or the LGBT website Pink News. Why? A clue comes in the fact that MacLachlan was slapped by a 26-year-old transgender woman called Tara Wolf, who explained to the court that MacLachlan was a “TERF” – a term commonly used to stand for “trans exclusionary radical feminist”, ie one who doesn’t believe that trans women are “real” women, but which Wolf defined as a “trans exterminatory radical feminist”.

The implication was that MacLachlan, now 61, wants all transgender people dead – something that seems absolutely barking until you realise this is quite a common accusation in activist spaces. The feminist group Sisters Uncut, which has done great work protesting the closure of domestic violence services, somehow looked at the case and decided that Wolf was the real victim. It used a hashtag – #freetheshewolf – and called for a protest outside Hendon Magistrates’ Court, asking for support for a “trans woman targeted… and harassed by TERFs, transmisogynists and cops”, adding: “Attacks on trans lives will not be tolerated.”

While I have no doubt that Wolf has faced prejudice and bullying due to being trans, it seems swivel-eyed to condemn rhetorical “attacks” and blithely ignore physical ones. (continues)

The Wolf affair also demonstrates another alarming phenomenon: the left getting high on its own supply of self-righteousness. “Some feminists have a different conception of gender to me” gets smudged into “some feminists talk about me in ways that I find offensive” and on to “some feminists are basically Hitler, trying to eradicate people like me”

Once you reach the last statement, then of course you can slap a woman and still think of yourself as a good person. She wants to kill you; a mere punch is self-defence. (I’m not exaggerating about the language. The Edinburgh branch of Action for Trans Health tweeted the day after the attack: “Punching TERFs is the same as punching Nazis. Fascism must be smashed with the greatest violence to ensure our collective liberation from it.”) (continues)

www.newstatesman.com/politics/feminism/2018/04/madness-our-gender-debate-where-feminists-defend-slapping-60-year-old

Rose of Dawn re Action For Trans Health, assault at Speaker's Corner, NUS Trans Officer & Jess Bradley:
" What Does Co-Opting The Trans Movement Look Like?
Radical far-left activists often co-opt unrelated movements to enforce their ideology on others. Here, I take a look at this phenomenon taking place in the trans community."

I'm disappointed.
I clicked on the thread title expecting some sort of thought provoking thread with ppl posting such like,
"You teach children growing up for example that if you are male it means certain different physical attributes compared to girls, and many of those attributes give physiological advantage, and girls when you grow up you'll most likely be able to fall pregnant which means you need to be careful or whatever... but both boys and girls can have all personality traits under the sun, such as nurturing, empathetic traits and dominant, commanding traits and become good at all subjects they care to study bc boys and girls aren't different in those ways" .... etc etc

Oh well.

Destroy just now means... uh accept gender. Okey kokey.

OR SO IVE HEARD.... I HAVE NO ACTUAL EXPERIENCE OF ANY OF THAT HAPPENING

Your deer pants are so on fire! Rumbled, woman, rumbled!

All the TRAs are bent on destroying are (1) sex-based protections and (2) the meaning of words.

Arguably they've 'destroyed gender' because there's now little common understanding of what it does and doesn't mean.

The writer (sorry, I've no idea of preferred pronouns) may be correct that they should be our allies in actually destroying gender but seems to have overlooked the truth that we can't destroy the reality of sex.

We're not trans exclusionary feminists. We're feminists who see the need to retain the right to exclude males from specific situations.

The conflict comes from conflicting interests not different ideas about how to dismantle societal expectations.
Many people want never to be classified according to gender, some people want never to be classified by sex. In many walks of life, we can all be classified as people and I expect we all agree that in those contexts neither sex nor gender should feature. Where sex differences are significant it makes zero sense classifying and segregating by gender.
Focusing on the problem of societal expectation and expectations of gender conformity obfuscates the key issue- sex differences exist and, if ignored, females can be significantly disadvantaged.
I am sad that excluding transwomen from sex based provision for females causes distress for some transwomen. I am sad that my child's best friend who has muscular dystrophy and once loved to spend hours playing with my child on our trampoline, can no longer be allowed on the trampoline when my child is also on it. I am sad that no matter how hard they study, some children will never obtain the grades needed to go to university. I could go on.
Life is unfair and tougher for some than others. We should do all we can to support each other. This does not mean negating facts and ignoring truths.

The writer (sorry, I've no idea of preferred pronouns) may be correct that they should be our allies in actually destroying gender but seems to have overlooked the truth that we can't destroy the reality of sex.

from Killjoy's bio:
"I’m an anarchist: I believe society would be better off without systems of hierarchy and oppression such as the state, capitalism, white supremacy, patriarchy, and the like. I’m a trans woman and my preferred pronouns are she/her, but I also believe in the abolition of gendered language and have no problem with people using the singular “they” to refer to me."