Female security staff should be compelled to search trans women?

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Male bodied trans woman describes themselves as being sexually assaulted by an airline after undergoing a search by a man. Minnymum is on there saying why not? Female doctors do.

I'll give that person this much; they've got real balls arguing and throwing a "hissy fit" at TSA agents. I've yet to come across a bunch of people more willing to make your life difficult and painful in my life.

The tide on that Twitter thread sure has turned against the trans POV on this. The vast majority of comments now say women have the right not to touch men's genitals, & TW's insistence that women be forced to do so is just more male entitlement dressed up in new ideology.

One person says the negative comments show the thread has been discovered & taken over by transphobes from the UK!

Seriously, what happens if companies start including the body searches of women and transwomen in job descriptions. Can they exclude women who are not prepared to do this - would it count as discrimination?

One person says the negative comments show the thread has been discovered & taken over by transphobes from the UK!

It really doesn’t matter what accusation they throw towards the people defending women’s rights to refuse to go along with someone else’s demands to force a woman to touch their cock and balls. Anyone with a modicum of common sense, that feel that they have to be ‘nice to the poor transwoman’ will start thinking logically about the situation. As a pp and someone on twitter has pointed out, it will be a man identifying as a woman TSA demanding to put their hands on a woman’s body, including breasts and vulva.

If Miley Cyrus is non-binary then any security staff can claim whatever the fuck they like because sex has become utterly meaningless and these twits can fuck off to the far side of beyond.

Would they only check trans passengers? I know it's easy to think there are lots of trans people these days, but there really aren't.

If you aren’t prepared to be searched by a member of your own sex you can wait for when trans staff are available.

If that takes days, so be it.

what happens if companies start including the body searches of women and transwomen in job descriptions. Can they exclude women who are not prepared to do this - would it count as discrimination?

Including up front in job descriptions for new employees has been used to improve disability rights, access and inclusion: for example when schools had to get their heads around being prepared to take pupils with incontinence and manage nappies sometimes they gave up on current staff but all new employees specifically agreed to changing nappies/doing medical procedures as part of the job. It at least gives people the right up front to know what is expected of them in the job and make an informed choice.

However there is a big difference between unwillingness to do a new aspect of the job because it's new, different, unpleasant, 'I'm not a nurse', this shouldn't be my responsibility, compared to 'I hold the belief that this person is male and am not willing to shift my personal boundaries in ways it is absolutely not considered ok or reasonable to do with other males in the course of my work'. This isn't the same as disability inclusion - although it is increasingly being framed as such.

Plus HR would then have to look at conflicting protected characteristics: while women should plain have the right not to have to service a belief they don't hold, some women will not be able to because of their faith, culture, disability, etc. One of the big issues with the GRC that the government are now faced with is that they are sleep walking into creating a hierarchy where trans 'rights' trump anyone else's rights. Which is likely to result in walloping great law suits for employers. This is an HR nightmare.

The hypocrisy is is stunning. And brave.

And I am LOVING the person on the Twitter thread who says that the problem is the scanning machines and the fact that we keep programming computers in a binary way

Surely Pips Bunce is the man for the job? The very definition of adaptable.

Airline issues with identity documentation & complaint by transwoman earlier this year:

'Canadian transgender woman flying home 'outed' in front of other passengers'
15/08/2018

(extract)
"A Canadian woman says she was outed and humiliated in front of other passengers while flying home to visit her parents.

Lenore Herrem was boarding a WestJet flight from Calgary to Saskatoon on Wednesday (local time) when the airline agent questioned her ID at the gate.

The five-year-old photo on Ms Herrem's Quebec healthcare card was taken when she still presented as male, and the ID's gender marking is also ticked as male.

She says the agent became "upset and confused" when the ID didn't seem to align with Ms Herrem's feminine appearance, repeatedly saying "They don't match".

"I gently and discreetly expressed to her, 'It's because I'm transgender, that's why they don't match up'. But my face is the same and my ID matches the name on my boarding pass."

The agent's colleague said it was fine and waved Ms Herrem through to take her seat on the plane.

But she says 10 minutes after she sat down, both gate agents boarded the aircraft and the one who had refused her earlier demanded to see her ID again.

"She said something like 'Oh, that's not the name I remember seeing on the computer when I looked at it,' and she started spouting off different, other women's names that were not mine," she told CBC.

It was the agent's next comment that Ms Herrem found most humiliating.

"She rolled her eyes at me and said 'Are you sure it wasn't your girl name that was on the computer?' She outed me in front of the whole airplane."

Ms Herrem said the experience made her feel "unsafe, vulnerable and belittled", and that no one else has ever had a problem with her ID." (continues)
www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2018/08/canadian-transgender-woman-flying-home-outed-in-front-of-other-passengers.html

I've posted before that as a young probationary police officer, another young female officer and I were made to strip search a violent drug abusing 'transwoman' who was fully equipped with working male genitalia, a full foot taller than me, and who used the entire experience to attempt to intimidate and harass us.

My partner works in airport security. He says that he regularly accidentally brushes something he shouldn't . This is utter madness.

I've posted before that as a young probationary police officer, another young female officer and I were made to strip search a violent drug abusing 'transwoman' who was fully equipped with working male genitalia, a full foot taller than me, and who used the entire experience to attempt to intimidate and harass us.

Also I'm sure true for female prison officers.

Francis Crook executive director of the Howard League for Penal Reform "said that she was worried that ‘some men with a history of extreme violence and sexual violence against women have found a new way of exercising aggression towards women’.

‘These men are not transitioning because they like women and want to be a woman, but in order to exert a new kind of control and dominance over women, a sort of infiltration."

source:
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5798945/Trans-women-convicted-men-attack-vulnerable-inmates.html

Obviously TSA agents (and others like gate staff) should be properly trained on how to handle trans passengers sensitively and discreetly.

Obviously female TSA agents should not be expected to perform body searches / pat downs on male bodied passengers

Obviously all neccessary security checks at airports should be carried out regardless of a person's gender identity.

Female security staff here in the UK are compelled to search self identifying trans women at airports already.

FlyingOink, I hope a member of staff takes management to court for sexual discrimination, as they are forcing females to put their hands on a man’s penis. That can not be acceptable. Actually, it comes across as sexual abuse by coercion, and in any other situation that’s against the law.

No sign of that happening.

We just need ONE woman to do it and the gates will open. I’d love to know WTF the unions are doing about this? But then again, I was a union rep for years and left because it was run by misogynistic men who kept men in charge, so it shouldn’t surprise me.

Both management and unions need to step up to the reality: forcing born women to pat down and search males, is enforced sexual abuse - by men - of women.

Naturally we’ll have the old, ‘well men will have to search transmen too’. 🙄 Somehow I don’t think there will be just the same uproar until, that is, a male security guard is accused of being ‘too thorough’. But maybe that’s what it will take, before those in charge of the security and their, frankly useless, unions to step up.

Sex matters. We are born as either female or male. Gender, on the other hand, is a matter of personal preference, personality, personal choices.

Where people must undergo body searches (air travel, stopped by police etc and for example), then it must be same-sex. "Gender"has no place here. Men using "gender" as an excuse are simply a red flag for male abusers.