Country Squire magazine - an unlikely ally

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countrysquire.co.uk/2018/07/17/welcome-to-the-terf-wars/?fbclid=IwAR0qt2MKmu44qnaGeCun8WSHewwSmGvHODT8ipUHYRAxRCGV_z27S2JyFYg

A few months ago now, but I've only just come across it.

Consider the ‘Like’ button clicked 😊

I love the phrase “Neomarxist postmodern word thieves.”

Excellent article!

That's a great intelligent rant.

“Postmodernism is like some noxious, virulent bacillus that has overflowed the bounds of it’s petri dish and threatens to consume all that come into contact with it leaving them little more than obsessive sex zombies.”

Amazing

Tarquin Sutherland

countrysquire.co.uk/2017/10/28/transinister/

Interesting interview.

Apologies. The interview is with Tamsin Sutherland. (I had searched Tarquin, the author of the article in the OP) although I'm confused by the timeline of events and names.

This person used to post on Mumsnet. They were banned. And I'm pretty sure even the most ardent of GC feminists thought that was the right call.

I can imagine if I called them a whack job I'd be deleted, so perhaps if you advanced search InfamousT you can decide for yourselves if you want to call this person an ally. Or anything else for that matter.

Nobody has called this person an ally. As has to be repeatedly (and tediously) clarified on this board, just because somebody writes / says something coherent, powerful or accurate doesn't mean that people slavishly agree with everything that person has ever said at any time. But it doesn't stop women acknowledging an interesting / valid view.

To clarify - the magazine was called an unlikely ally, not the writer!

Corbyn's expression seems as though he is gritting his teeth, he does not look comfortable and as though he is is saying to himself 'this is really really right on, I really am enjoying this moment, honestly'.

I like TS. I know that TS linked to a lot of emotive far-right-wing propaganda videos, but I dont think it was the right call to have TS banned.

The times we are in are very strange indeed that it is hard to get a purchase on reality it all seems so far fetched - Cambridge Analytica, Rotherham, Telford, Rochdale, West Yorkshire police, the 'tolerance zone' in Holbeck, women apparently find their own brutal murder erotic, Mermaids, Stonewall, Paris Lees and MI5, John Bercow, the rise of PIE, Exhibitionizm blog, nut jobs getting the police to do their bidding like obedient dogs, Pedo perverts getting Twitter and WordPress to do their bidding..

I think TS gets a lot right and a bit wrong.

Regarding the timeline, I think Tamsin is now Tarquin - perhaps putting some clear blue water between themself and the transgenderists.

As has to be repeatedly (and tediously) clarified on this board, just because somebody writes / says something coherent, powerful or accurate doesn't mean that people slavishly agree with everything that person has ever said at any time.

Do you know what else requires tedious clarification? The fact that Mumsnet is not a hive mind, you don't all agree, and if you personally are happy to agree with a far-right conspiracy theorist on one subject and one subject only you do not speak for FWR.

Tedious clarification out of the way, and now we've established your personal feelings in the subject I will leave my comment with my original intention, which was to bring this person's "challenging" perspective to the attention of people who might otherwise call them an ally. If this is not you, well done.

Nope - don't claim to speak for FWR . Not in the post upthread or elsewhere.
Personal feelings about subjects are common on Mumsnet. Funny that. Some people present their 'thoughts' in a rambling word salad designed to derail, detract and confuse and many have powerful, succinct and fascinating comments that they share. All part of the rich pattern.

I followed Tarquin on twitter until he let rip one day on Harrop and was banned shortly afterwards. It was really very funny, I wish I had got screenshots.

you do not speak for FWR.

The other thing that seems to require tedious and repeated clarification for you, Rat is that nobody 'speaks for FWR'. We all speak for ourselves and frequently disagree on various points. Nobody has mentioned anything about 'speaking for FWR' apart from you.

I will leave my comment with my original intention, which was to bring this person's "challenging" perspective to the attention of people who might otherwise call them an ally. If this is not you, well done.

You assume that some people would 'call this person an ally', rather than saying that they had some interesting points to make, whilst obviously not agreeing with them on everything. What sort of person does that? And why don't they think for themselves a bit more? Do you do that, rat? And do you know a lot of other people who do?

I will leave my comment with my original intention, which was to bring this person's "challenging" perspective to the attention of people who might otherwise call them an ally.

As has already been pointed out above, I called the magazine an unlikely ally for publishing the article, not the writer, of whom I had never heard before finding this link. Opposition to trans rights activism is making for some very unlikely allies in the media, especially for left-leaning feminists. I'm thinking of the sterling work being done by journalists at publications such as The Times, The Spectator and even spiked. On other subjects I would probably disagree with much of what they publish, but it would be throwing the baby out with the bathwater not to support what they write about transactivism and the threat to women's rights. Heaven knows, The Guardian isn't doing much for us, nor are the vast majority of MPs.

Fuck me, this is fucking tedious. I write a post squarely aimed at anyone who might call this person an ally, I'm told that no-one round here would do that, I point out that MN isn't a hive mind and then somehow I'm the one saying MN is a hive mind. The magic fucking roundabout, or as completely barmy as.

I remember now, this board has more froth than a cappuccino and more poorly functioning "listening ears" than my 3 year old. I literally can't be bothered. You only know how to talk to yourselves and you think your failure to understand anybody else is their fault.

Ta-ra.

Bizzare to have someone warning that Tarquin is a "whack job" and not a suitable ally. What a stupid word ally has become.

He's a detransitioner who has had a bad experience of transing and personal abuse from trans activists.

He was good value on twitter as he spoke from experience, but clearly upset Harrop for whom only the right kind of trans will do. He does believe its a dangerous cult, based on his own experience of being sold the trans solution to his own problems.

He's definitely not someone I would insult with the phrase rat used, he's very intelligent and insightfull.

Reading this thread, I feel like calling this Sutherland person (who I know nothing about) an ally now, just for kicks. Guess I spent too much time on Kiwifarms lately, watching the #waxmyballs drama playing out there. Say what you will about KF, the absence of thought policing there is refreshing.

Rat have you ever paused to consider that the world isn't composed of people who are 'good' or 'evil'? Most people are a complex mix which can't easily be categorised as good or bad - they have some opinions you might agree with and others you don't. Sutherland is someone who has experienced the transcult first hand and has an interesting story. That doesn't mean that I agree with everything he says.

I really don't know why you find this so difficult to understand.

Thanks for the headsup Bubonicpanic, ally then. Not sure what this obsession with purity is about, when it comes to allies, these days. Remind me who allied with whom to rid the world of Adolf, back in the days? Allies ally strategically to fight for a common objective, no need for anyone to qualify for sainthood, really.