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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

George Eliot

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AspieAndProud · 26/12/2018 14:33

On the thread on ‘actresses’ the fact that many female authors wrote under Male pseudonyms got me thinking.

What would people think about rebranding George Elliot’s books as by ‘Mary Anne Evans’?

The need for a male pseudonyms seems to be past but would this be erasing a part of history?

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starcrossedseahorse · 27/12/2018 12:50

And Eliot did not have a 'transgender identification' FGS. Aaarrrgggh.

I need to step away from it all today I think.

newtlover · 27/12/2018 12:51

eh? what?

newtlover · 27/12/2018 12:52

that was to to starcrossedseahorse

AssassinatedBeauty · 27/12/2018 12:54

The person in ScipioAfricanus' link asserts that George Eliot had a transgender identification, amid all the other waffle.

starcrossedseahorse · 27/12/2018 12:59

Sorry newt was grumbling away without being clear.

AspieAndProud · 27/12/2018 14:22

Wow, isn't it interesting that the book cover with the female (real) name features a woman and the cover with the male pseudonym features a hypermasculinised man?

It’s Hitler.

The book is about a future in which the Nazis rule the world and Hitler is worshipped as a god.

It’s not an alternative world book in the sense of The Man in the High Castle, Fatherland or SS-GB because it was written before the war, and as such was still a possible future.

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Juells · 27/12/2018 20:09

starcrossedseahorse

OMG that pic of Grace Lavery! Is that what we women do?

Stomach-churning.

deydododatdodontdeydo · 27/12/2018 20:56

Interesting topic.
Frankenstein was originally published anonymously, and even when the author was revealed as Mary Shelley, it was still a huge success with the public (and many critics), but it didn't stop one critic writing the following:
"The writer of it is, we understand, a female; this is an aggravation of that which is the prevailing fault of the novel; but if our authoress can forget the gentleness of her sex, it is no reason why we should; and we shall therefore dismiss the novel without further comment"

Bittermints · 27/12/2018 22:13

Not many female academics would want to present themselves in that way on their university website. As for asserting that George Eliot had a transgender identity... I'm lost for words.

ScipioAfricanus · 27/12/2018 22:17

That’s what makes me so cross - as if adult human females could or would present themselves that way in a professional photograph (or at all). Womanhood as simpering, eye-fluttering vacuity.

ChewyLouie · 27/12/2018 22:23

George Eliot transgender? Jog on. Who else are they going to claim? Mahatma Gandhi because he was non violent and wore sandals ? Jesus as he’s often depicted with long hair AND a beard?
Julius Caesar as the laurel leaf crown looks a little bit like a plait from a certain angle?
Pillocks.

Zeugma · 27/12/2018 22:28

And Grace Lavery seems very keen to comb Eliot's oeuvre for sex tips (Romola, Middlemarch, and Marie Stopes)

Sex tips? What is this? An academic publication or Carrie Bradshaw writing for Cosmo?

KindOfAGeek · 28/12/2018 01:17

"In a letter to John Morley, she declared her support for plans "which held out reasonable promise of tending to establish as far as possible an equivalence of advantage for the two sexes, as to education and the possibilities of free development", and dismissed appeals to nature in explaining women's lower status."

Newton, K. M. (2018). George Eliot for the Twenty-First Century: Literature, Philosophy, Politics. Springer. p. 23-24.

If she had a transgender identity, they would have to erase both her writing, and all those portraits of her dressed as a woman

SaskiaRembrandtWasFramed · 28/12/2018 07:17

Julius Caesar as the laurel leaf crown looks a little bit like a plait from a certain angle?

As I pointed out on another thread, all Roman men wore dresses so were clearly trans. And Julius does sound similar to Julia, ergo, definitely trans.

R0wantrees · 28/12/2018 10:52

Recent thread discussing US academics kick back against Queer theory as posited by Grace Lavery.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3450279-Queer-theory-resisters

Article by Christopher Castiglia and Christopher Reed (focus of thread above)
blog.lareviewofbooks.org/essays/conversion-therapy-v-re-education-camp-open-letter-grace-lavery/

Queer Theory academics response:
blog.lareviewofbooks.org/essays/open-letter-queer-studies-scholars/

MargueritaPink · 28/12/2018 11:12

Some of you might like this response to Professor Lavery. It isn't in relation to Lavery's position on Elliot but the gist of what they are responding to is clear.

blog.lareviewofbooks.org/essays/conversion-therapy-v-re-education-camp-open-letter-grace-lavery/

MargueritaPink · 28/12/2018 11:12

Oh cross post.

newtlover · 28/12/2018 18:43

thanks for the link Marguerita- if it wasn't the season of goodwill I'd be sending a link to DS- I especially liked this para

Here are some related questions: is the success of those venerable movements — of feminism in the 1970s-’80s, of queer activism from the 1990s into the 21st century — the reason they come under attack? Feminists and queer activists fundamentally altered the culture in ways few thought possible. Does this proof of the potential for collective social change so threaten the dominant order that all the blandishments of advanced capitalism — therapy, cosmetic surgery, makeovers, Kardashians — are rolled out to convince the young that their elders were wrong to seek and find solutions to their problems outside neo-liberal structures of competitive individualism? Must we elders now, unless we meekly defer to the claw-back of medical and juridical authority against which our movements were formed, be diagnosed/accused as “transphobic” and cured/punished through “sensitivity training” with the threat of further institutionalized sanctions as these advocates of trans-correctness demand?

follow the money

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