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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Sex Discrimination Act (Gender Reassignment) 1999

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givenupcaring · 22/12/2018 19:41

I'm interested in everyone's thoughts on this.

We all know about the EA and GRC but I was most interested to learn about the above.

The EA gives a protected characteristic of gender reassignment but makes no clarification. As a result the act is extended to every transgender self identifier....

However the Sex Discrimination Act (Gender Reassignment) 1999 made an amendment to the Sex Discrimihation Act 1975. This amendment saw the addition of the sentence "gender reassignment” means a process which is undertaken under medical supervision for the purpose of reassigning a person’s sex.

So.... does this mean that contrary to popular opinion self id is NOT recognised?

ttp://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1999/1102/regulation/2/made

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TheCuriousMonkey · 22/12/2018 23:03

I'm afraid the 1999 regulations are no longer good law. They amended the Sex Discrimination Act 1975 which was repealed in full by the Equality Act 2010. See schedule 27 to the EA 2010.

givenupcaring · 22/12/2018 23:24

That's very interesting....

So the Goverment previously explicitly stated that gender reassignment was a process under medical supervision but by EA2010 that bit vanished....

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QuietContraryMary · 22/12/2018 23:32

these rules were to comply with an EU ruling on gender bollocks. The Equality Act was Labour's attempt to make everything 'even more equal'.

givenupcaring · 22/12/2018 23:38

Do you think Brexit will effect gender laws ?

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PencilsInSpace · 22/12/2018 23:47

I've just been talking about the SDA 1999 amendments on another thread. How odd Grin

I've been reading the memoirs that Christine Burns gave away free one weekend a few months ago on Amazon. There was much hoo-ha in 'the community' over terminology in the 1990s. TS were those who had medical treatment, TG were those who didn't bother with any of that. TG included what we used to call cross dressers / tv. Press for Change were instrumental in the UK in the adoption of the term 'trans' on its own, so tv/crossdressers would not be excluded. They just kept it quiet that that's what they meant.

If you're bored one afternoon over christmas, have a trawl through the <a class="break-all" href="https://web.archive.org/web/19990420024314/www.pfc.org.uk:80/pfclists/download/index.htm" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">PFC mailing list archives. You'll need winzip or 7zip or something to unpack the downloads because they're in a funny format but they're quite fascinating.

I'm currently trawling through the forum discussions from February 1998 when they were discussing the consultation on proposed changes to the Sex Discrimination Act to explicitly include trans discrimination as a type of sex discrimination.

They consulted trans orgs but not women, of course.

The govt's proposals were all based around an assumption of a medical pathway and provided lots of exceptions (some of which were sensible, some batshit IMHO). An org called the gender trust responded by saying protection from discrimination shouldn't be based on medical treatment or diagnosis and there shouldn't be any exceptions. Stephen Whittle called this response 'amazing'.

One TS person questioned the gender trust's submission, basically saying, doesn't this just let all the knicker fetishists in the ladies? There was then a giant shitstorm on the forum and the outcome was that PFC reaffirmed their inclusive stance of supporting all trans people not just TS.

This was 20 years ago and 6 years before the GRA.

BubonicBudgie · 23/12/2018 00:41

Very interesting post Pencils. Thanks I'll come back to this tomorrow

givenupcaring · 23/12/2018 08:20

Whilst I'm not a conspiracy theorist that believes this was a long term deliberate plot all along clearly things didnt start because of the EA.

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ChewyLouie · 23/12/2018 09:52

Yrs I think it’s been a long term strategy too. I can’t find anything online about who started The Gender Trust in the late 90s . Anyone know anything about who was involved in setting up The Gender Trust?

Katvonbatshit · 23/12/2018 10:00

I'm seeing TRAs claim all the time that gyms etc are breaking the 2010 Equality Act by not letting transwomen get naked in women's communal spaces.

I think they know self I.D isn't going to happen so they are pushing this route.

What does gender reassignment mean in the eyes of the law?

There needs to be a clarification. Spaces were women are most vulnerable need to be single sex. There needs to be multisex third spaces.

Sex (according to proff Freedman on woman's hour) is defined by chromosomes. There was a test case some years back.

Mariotta · 23/12/2018 10:02

Thanks Pencils, that really doesn't surprise me at all.

Me either but it's educational, isn't it?

Transsexual lobbyists and activists were instrumental in getting us where we are now, which is the destination they intended all along. Women's interests were never a consideration and getting rid of sex as any categorisation in civil or political society was always the aim. If that meant putting women at risk from the knicker fetishists (hat tip, Pencils), they really didn't care.

There never was an "honour system", only a means to an end.

Katvonbatshit · 23/12/2018 10:02

It's fascinating reading the backstory. Thanks all

PencilsInSpace · 23/12/2018 12:52

I can’t find anything online about who started The Gender Trust in the late 90s . Anyone know anything about who was involved in setting up The Gender Trust?

It was set up by Christine's best mate, Alice Kelly Purnell OBE. There's a gender trust website here but it's a bit odd as it has no info about who they are. The Charity Commission page says they ceased to exist in 2003.

Gender Trust / AP set up the GENDYS conference which ran every 2 years in Manchester between 1990 and 2004. Some conference papers and journal articles are available on that site.

In 1997 the Gender Trust received £33,700 of lottery money. Virginia Bottomley, who was then heritage secretary, objected to this. She said:

"I am delighted that the National Lottery Charities Board have decided to support medical charities and others including the Samaritans, the RNIB and the Burma Star Association which will be widely welcomed.

"However, it is for the Charities Board to explain and account for their actions in the areas which may not attract widespread public endorsement."

Unlike the current objections to the BLF Mermaids grant, which focus on serious questions of child safeguarding, Bottomley's (and other tories) objection seems to be a general 'down with this sort of thing' response.

Alice Purnell was also a co-founder of the Beaumont Society. You can read a short history of the BS by Alice here.

ChewyLouie · 23/12/2018 13:23

Thanks Pencils, I’m going to sit down and take a good look at this later 👍🏽

crsacre · 23/12/2018 15:03

Alice Purnell was also a co-founder of the Beaumont Society.

"The Beaumont Society was immensely helpful with donations" when Mermaids was founded in 1994. (Anonymous mother writing in Trans Britain.)

ChewyLouie · 24/12/2018 00:25

Goodness, the more you read the more you realise how entrenched the trans agenda is in our systems. First started in the UK in the mid 60s with the Beaumont Society but really started to take off in the early 90s with Press for Change. Zagria blog spot had lots of info if anyone else is interested.
I think we really need to focus and push for third spaces and tirelessly challenge, challenge, challenge anything that harms women’s rights.

PencilsInSpace · 24/12/2018 00:31

Yes it turns out that what people think of as the Stonewall umbrella is actually the Beaumont umbrella and is about 50 years older than we all realised. They just kept it quiet.

ChewyLouie · 24/12/2018 00:51

I’d like to think it started with decent intentions to genuinely support transsexuals but has morphed into the monstrosity we are now facing. I’m going to read around further to try and figure out when this shift happened ( probably around the time billionaires decided they were going to play with genders and fund their whims!)

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