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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Katie Herzog covers my police visit for Seattle's The Stranger

53 replies

Glinner · 21/12/2018 13:18

Full piece here

www.thestranger.com/slog/2018/12/20/37275129/fighting-on-twitter-in-the-uk-you-could-be-arrested-for-that

Norwich police went from "harassment is subjective" to "nothing to do with us, we were just the messenger" and gave me the address of an officer in Northumbria, who is studiously ignoring the following email I sent.

Dear X

I write in relation to the visit on 9th December 2018 date by an Officer from my local Police Force. They informed me that a Dr Adrian Harrop had made a complaint against me relating to the following tweets.

twitter.com/Glinner/status/1071501508427042816

twitter.com/Glinner/status/1071506718268502017

I am advised by the Norfolk Constabulary that they were acting as messengers in this case. They have given me your email address as those responsible for contacting the Norfolk Constabulary and requesting that an Officer was ‘tasked to come and see you to give you words of advice about some Twitter comments you had made’.

The Officer at Norfolk Constabulary, Joanne Minnis, told me that: ‘the decision to give you words was made by the Police Force which dealt with the victim’s concerns. Norfolk Police were simply the messengers’.

I have reviewed the tweets I sent carefully and write to you as I am bewildered that a Police Force could review those matters and seriously consider them to be harassment in any form. Dr Adrian Harrop is a prominent trans rights activist, as he states in his Twitter profile. He is a person who exhibits considerable unpleasantness online in particular to women. He has on several occasions engaged in behaviour which by any reckoning is far more targeted and harassing than anything I have said.

I keep reading reports of how Police Forces are underfunded and overworked and lack ability to investigate burglaries or robberies. I am astonished, therefore, that your Police Force thought it necessary or proportionate to contact Norfolk Constabulary and ask them to visit me.

I, therefore, write to ask you to explain, in advance of me making any formal complaint, what precise offences are alleged against me, what evidence your Police Force considered, and what about the tweets I sent could possibly be seen as in objective way harassment? I ask you, in particular, to note that the comments referred to Dr Adrian Harrop’s interview on Sky News. This was self-evidently a public broadcast upon which I commented.

I have been the target of a number of actions from trans rights activists owing to my declared belief that sex is an immutable characteristic and that the blurring of gender and sex can present difficulties and even dangers to women. However, the recent use of the Police as the trans rights activist enforcers is alarming. I therefore request, urgently, an explanation of why my support of the protected characteristic of sex within the meaning of the Equality Act 2010, and my freedom of speech, are being subject to curtailment by such trans rights activists with the cooperation of the Police.

Thanks in advance for your response.

Graham Linehan

By the way, the Norwich police are dead wrong that harassment is subjective. There is a test, and the police should know it:

"there must be evidence to prove the conduct was targeted at an individual, was calculated to alarm or cause him/her distress, and was oppressive and unreasonable."

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Glinner · 21/12/2018 13:21

Have also written to my MP, Clive Lewis, but nothing so far from him either.

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OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 21/12/2018 13:32

Sorry you're going through this but thanks for standing up for women.

Not sure you'll have much luck with Clive "get on your knees" Lewis.

twitter.com/labourlewis/status/952329665942884352

HumourlessFeminist · 21/12/2018 13:32

Great letter 🙌🏻.

I wonder what they'll reply, or whether they'll just keep quiet, and hope that you'll go away.

Glinner · 21/12/2018 13:35

Oh wait, scratch that about Clive Lewis. There was an extra step I hadn't done.

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hackmum · 21/12/2018 13:57

The article was slightly too even-handed for my liking (there is absolutely no reason to be even-handed about a zealous extremist like Harrop) but this quote from the Norfolk Constabulary leapt out at me:

“Whilst we recognise that there is Freedom of Speech in the UK, it is important that the use of Social Media respects diversity and takes into consideration the feelings of others.”

This is nonsense, isn't it? Who says it's "important"? It's not the police's job to decide that people should respect diversity - it's their job to uphold the law. The law, as far as I'm aware, says nothing at all about respecting diversity or taking into consideration the feelings of others.

StarsAndWater · 21/12/2018 14:01

In a written statement, Harrop claimed that.... “Mr. Linehan made direct reference to me having threatened and harassed women, and having ‘doxxed’ them—a specific allegation relating to the revelation of confidential information about people that they have deliberately sought to keep private. This is a grossly inaccurate and unfair mischaracterisation of my conduct.”

We've all seen the screenshots of Harrop's doxxing activities, and there's one in particular where she asks him to remove her name and with details and he refuses. This is just bizarre. The police have some serious questions to answer.
I really hope you get some answers Glinner. We're all behind you.

MrsTerryPratcett · 21/12/2018 14:01

I therefore request, urgently, an explanation of why my support of the protected characteristic of sex within the meaning of the Equality Act 2010, and my freedom of speech, are being subject to curtailment by such trans rights activists with the cooperation of the Police.

This.

Because it's not the Police's job to be a playground monitor and make us play nicely.

OlennasWimple · 21/12/2018 14:05

Can we place bets on when Glinner will receive a reply?

I'm in for a tenner on a holding response being sent in 13 days' time (I think police forces have 14 days to reply to correspondence from the public? But may have mis-remembered that). Then a substantive, word salad response in the middle of February following at least one chaser email

hackmum · 21/12/2018 14:54

I'm going with the twelfth of never.

terryleather · 21/12/2018 14:55

I think that Glinner's letter asks really important questions that the police urgently need to answer. I'm not holding my breath for them giving any answers though...

ikltownofboothlehem · 21/12/2018 14:59

I'm in for a fiver for 'when the hole in my arse heals up' before you get a response.

Mariotta · 21/12/2018 15:06

Why Northumbria police?

SunsetBeetch · 21/12/2018 15:07

Nice on Glinner!

And I can't believe Harrop's bare-faced lying Shock

OlennasWimple · 21/12/2018 15:09

Northumbria police is the good doctor's local force Mariotta

miri1985 · 21/12/2018 15:58

Glinner if you haven't already, you should send a GDPR request to both police forces for all information they have on you and all correspondence regarding you.

thatdamnwoman · 21/12/2018 16:02

Graham, thank you. This kind of detailed, informed response in the face of false accusations is exactly what is needed to start dismantling the trans edifice brick by brick.

The police officer(s) who initiated this response to you need to be disciplined. It is, as various people have already said, not the job of the police to go round telling people off for making a rational comment about something in the public sphere. They are there to enforce the law and what happened to you is an abuse of authority.

I'm sorry that you're bearing the stress of this but I'm absolutely confident that in you Harrop et al have taken on the wrong person and that what is happening is a very important element in the turn-around. Have a fab Christmas with your family and thanks again for standing up and being counted.

BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 21/12/2018 16:02

I, therefore, write to ask you to explain, in advance of me making any formal complaint

glad to see this. take the fight to them, you are being harassed for the perfectly reasonable opinions you hold. It's not OK.

Thank you for using your position to bring attention to this. it is greatly appreciated.

Mariotta · 21/12/2018 16:05

Northumbria police is the good doctor's local force Mariotta

Thanks!

papayasareyum · 21/12/2018 16:50

Graham, was the officer a fan of your writing and did they ask for an autograph or something?(as this is the only logical explanation I can fathom for the home visit)

MrsSpenserGregson · 21/12/2018 16:56

Thank you @Glinner for your sterling work on standing up for women Flowers and have a very Happy Christmas (I'll be binge-watching The IT Crowd (again) Wink)

LizzieSiddal · 21/12/2018 17:02

Great work Glinner. I hope you get a satisfying response.

I also can’t believe Harrops bare faced lies. He’s a shocker!

Theinconstantgardener · 21/12/2018 17:02

And I can't believe Harrop's bare-faced lying
I can,hes clearly a narcissist.
Great letter glinner and thanks.

starcrossedseahorse · 21/12/2018 17:08

Great letter. Let's hope they can bring themselves to answer it as I think that everyone will be very interested in what they have to say.

NotTerfNorCis · 21/12/2018 17:17

After Linehan saw the debate, he posted a link to the video, tweeting, “Have a look at this again and ask yourself why Parker is banned from various platforms, while Harrop isn’t. Could it be anything to do with...male privilege? Could it have anything to do with men deciding what women are and are not allowed to say?” The next day, the police dropped in at his house.

That sounds like a scene from some fascist patriarchy dreamed up by Margaret Atwood.

TwistedStitch · 21/12/2018 17:23

Excellent letter. I live in Norfolk and knowing several examples of times when the police force haven't been able to respond effectively to actual crimes I'm also interested in a response as to why time and resources of an overstretched police force were made available for this nonsense.