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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Is it really all that bad?

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Notevenmyrealname · 20/12/2018 18:14

I was having a conversation today with a friend who works in HR and is very clued up on the law and equality issues and he was saying that most of the scare stories about transgender stuff are a storm in a teacup. Realistically nobody is going to allow a small group of militant trans activists to remove women’s rights. All the updated GRA will do will allow people who need it a slightly less hassle way to change their gender officially and as it affects such a small number of people (supposedly 1% of the population) it’s really not going to have a massive impact on the vast majority of people. There are no plans to change the Equality Act of 2010, so sex will still be a protected category.
I’ve been trying to read up on lots of stuff over the last month or so and, I have to be honest, really scared myself - particularly reading all the BS spouted by Mermaids. The thought that those people are let loose in schools peddling their pseudoscience to teachers is awful, but again my friend thinks the stuff that gets reported in newspapers is always the worst of the worst as they just want clicks on their pages and I shouldn’t get myself wound up.
I’m actually going to give myself a break from all this over the next few weeks as it’s really getting to me but I was wondering if anyone else thought maybe things won’t be as bad as all the worst case scenarios that are discussed on these boards?
I’m still very much of the belief that gender identity and biological sex are separate things and I think if something could be put in law that makes that distinction clear, surely everything would be fine. Stupid ideology like the crap pushed by Mermaids and the like will be found out eventually and it’s just because they’re riding the wave with the GRA consultation having happened so recently. Teachers are regularly updated on safeguarding and the secrecy aspect would only apply if they thought the child was in actual danger (he gave the example of an extremely religious family who might try taking their child abroad to marry them off or worse, they were from a culture that commit “honour” killings).
Please reassure me that these worst case scenarios are unlikely to happen, or is my friend actually oblivious to very real dangers if these changes go through?

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VickyEadie · 23/12/2018 16:40

So have we moved from "women & girls can be protected because this is what the Equality Act & Citizens Advice say." to '"there should be notices to inform everyone that male-bodied people may use the female changing rooms."?

Seems so. Women and girls - fuck off back home, because you have no right to privacy, nor even basic safety in spaces allegedly for women.

AngryAttackKittens · 23/12/2018 16:45

If it starts to have an impact on profits, businesses will listen. How many women are really willing, or even able, to tolerate this? I couldn't. Good luck making a profit with almost no female customers.

Datun · 23/12/2018 17:23

Good luck making a profit with almost no female customers.

Precisely.

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GrandmaSteglitszch · 24/12/2018 20:51

Self-id of sex doesn't even exist yet, and may never do, so businesses have no need to accept it.

givenupcaring · 25/12/2018 08:29

Self-id of sex doesn't even exist yet, and may never do, so businesses have no need to accept it.

So since medical diagnosed TS does exist already do you believe businesses need to accept that ?

GrandmaSteglitszch · 25/12/2018 23:56

They can if they like but they don't have to if they have the legitimate aim of protecting girls' and women's privacy, dignity and safety.

Helping one group of people to feel better about themselves shouldn't involve removing rights from another group of people.

BubonicTheHedgehag · 26/12/2018 00:29

Helping one group of people to feel better about themselves shouldn't involve removing rights from another group of people.

Yes, that's it.

Transwomen are not women. Transwomen are born men.

If they were not born men, there would be no need for them to be transwomen, would there?!

Women are born with a woman's body, female biology; which is after all why women have always been oppressed in the first place.

Men have never experience this type and level of oppression because (duh!) they are men and have always been boys and men.

And most women do not want to be forced to share women's single-sex spaces with men. Because when men force their way in, it is no longer a women's single-sex space.

In this post, 'Woman' always refers to Adult human female, just to make that clear.

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