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feministfairy · 2018-12-17T01:25:20+00:00

The Times continuing with their sterling work highlighting the abusive gaslighting that some trans organisations are aiming at young children: [[https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/boys-can-have-periods-too-primary-pupils-are-taught-hg5lb85mp?shareToken=bf028da27e4885097916a2efdd3e5b19]]

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 17/12/2018 08:07

I can’t imagine any little boy who ‘feels like a woman’😒 going ‘bah, what a shame, I want periods!!!’ If told that women have this (how and why).

99% of the class will be 😳😳😱😱😰😰🥴😵😵😵

Fywl · 17/12/2018 08:12

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LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 17/12/2018 08:16

Any other time and people would be asking about what’s in the water supply.

DisrespectfulAdultFemale · 17/12/2018 08:19

Seriously. Why even teach biology? All we need to do now is to allow someone to say that they are something that they demonstrably are not and - hey presto! - they are whatever their feelz say they are.

While we're at it, let's stop teaching physics, too. I am sure that the laws of physics aren't inclusive, either.

Next up: chemists are bigots.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 17/12/2018 08:32

This would be interesting in the farming community.

Bill don’t go into that field! The bill is in there!
Well that’s very assumptive of you. Just because ‘they’ had testicles you can’t assume that they are not a lovely moo cow who can give milk. Isn’t that right ‘daisy’? Look she is pregnant!

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 17/12/2018 08:33

Bull not Bill. Bull may be called Bill though.

WallyTheWasher · 17/12/2018 08:37

My pre-schooler (female) already knows what periods are and that girls have them and boys do not.
The only upshot for me (trying to be positive here) of this nonsense is that I am forcing myself to swallow all my British awkwardness about sex, gynaecology and genitals and make sure my daughter knows BIOLOGICAL FACTS in an age appropriate way of course. So that if this shite ever comes to our semi rural backwater she has some grounding. Back in the 80s, my parents left it to the school. You shouldn’t do that now.

SkullPointerException · 17/12/2018 08:38

Next up: chemists are bigots.

So, basically, you're trying to imply that trans fats are not really fats, eh? Who's the bigot now?

WallyTheWasher · 17/12/2018 08:38

Actually tho we were told you couldn’t wash your hair when you had your period lol

VickyEadie · 17/12/2018 08:41

Actually tho we were told you couldn’t wash your hair when you had your period lol

By teachers or the school nurse?

I'm 60 and no such thing was ever said by any of those people. I remember a few myths being propagated by other teenagers, however.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 17/12/2018 08:43

I was reading a thread about trans inclusive sex education on Twitter.

Apparently phrases such as "most boys have penises" should be used...

This orthodoxy is only going to hurt children, and as always the most vulnerable and going to be hurt most.

DaffoDeffo · 17/12/2018 08:49

utterly ridiculous - I have no other words for it

MountainWitch · 17/12/2018 08:51

Fywl I am in a similar area, small secondary in rural Scotland with trans children (all, so far, born female and identifying as male)
My DCs primary hasn't covered any type of trans stuff (yet)
Sadly the SNP, in its desperate rush to look cool and progressive, is letting our children down badly

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 17/12/2018 08:56

I don’t understand how the decision is made that a boy is trans - rather than gay or just an ‘effeminate’ male? Has it become preferable for the parents to decide that the child has a ‘medical issue’ (born in the wrong body - however that is supposed to work) rather than being gay (or effeminate)?

merrymouse · 17/12/2018 09:08

I read the article, and technically Brighton and Hove City Council are correct. Trans boys and men will have periods if they haven't had hysterectomies, and so will non binary people if they happen to be of the female persuasion.

And people with brown hair can have periods and people with freckles can have periods and people who support Arsenal can have periods.

However, only females have periods.

Periods don't randomly happen to people, women have periods.

This really is so back to front. It's completely bonkers that not recognising the key characteristics of a group a people who still can't vote in many parts of the world is seen as progressive.

Igneococcus · 17/12/2018 09:14

Fywl

Our secondary school is actually quite large, more than a 1000 students but dd, who is quite atuned to this issue, only ever mentioned one student who is trans and there is one boy who likes to wear dresses and make up but is quite clear about being a boy who likes to wear dresses.

Melamin · 17/12/2018 09:24

How do these mad things get put into practice? Is there no system for evaluating materials that end up in schools these days?

You have to wonder. Surely if one group can claim special reasons for putting their view forward, then other groups will follow on and do the same. There is never only one special group. The needs of the children and access to high standards of education should prevail.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 17/12/2018 10:06

When I was at school there was one lad who would turn up wearing a vicars bib and dig collar. No one blinked any eye (or treated him as a vicar).

It’s what teenagers to!

OtepotiLilliane42 · 17/12/2018 10:26

merrymouse

I have made a right mess of trying to comment on this thread. No I don't believe men have periods, only women have periods. Brighton and Hove council were correct in one sense in stating that trans boys and trans men might periods, but they know perfectly well that is because they are still biologically female.To suggest that children should be taught that boys can have periods too is an attempt to confuse for the purposes of propaganda. Which is why, as I said in an earlier post schools must always teach children the correct facts about male and female biology, otherwise we really are lost.
Perhaps I should have just put what I thought when I initially read the Times article, that the Brighton and Hove council should be told to leave teaching to the teachers, and not try to impose their agenda on the local schools.
I enjoy reading the various threads on Mumsnet, for their wit, passion and intelligence, but I seem to have made a right bish of contributing my thoughts on this thread. Apologies for the seeming incoherence.

VeggyGravy · 17/12/2018 10:30

It's time we get used to the fact that "people" have periods, not girls or women.

www.mooncup.co.uk/using-mooncup/can-i-use-the-mooncup-if-ive-just-started-my-periods/

If you, your parents, or your cultural community have strong feelings about the hymen, you should not use the Mooncup at this stage in your life (you can read more about the Mooncup and the hymen here).

But what is really important to note is that while people have periods, only the female people have to question if their male religious community leaders think they should be allowed to risk their hymen.

If you, your parents, or your cultural community have strong feelings about the hymen, you should not use the Mooncup at this stage in your life (you can read more about the Mooncup and the hymen here).

If you, your parents OR your cultural community.

How woke is that? A menstrual cup company ignoring that it is young girls that have periods but never forgetting that their hymens really belong to a series of men.

KittiesInsane · 17/12/2018 10:34

I can see that teaching that 'transboys have periods' might become necessary for the sake of some very confused children who believe that their inner gender ID does outweigh their biology.

'Yes, Ollie, your inner gender ID is a boy, but really, you do need to know that because you are female, you will menstruate when you hit puberty. Here's what you need to do about it.'

'Louisa, I know you ID as a girl, but you aren't going to menstruate because you are biologically male and don't have a uterus. Instead, here's what will happen...'

Could that be what they mean?

I keep forgetting, I think, that although we know what happens in real life to boys and girls, the children in the thick of this don't automatically know about puberty and sex. Those brought up with alternative facts may genuinely find it hard to work out which biological facts will apply to them.

merrymouse · 17/12/2018 10:39

OtepotiLilliane42 don't worry .

I understand what you are saying and thanks for taking the time to clarify your thoughts.

I was less disagreeing with you (yes, by their definitions they are technically correct) and more expressing why I think it's important to be clear about who has periods (and we appear to both agree on that).

merrymouse · 17/12/2018 10:40

It's nuts isn't it veggygravy

Melamin · 17/12/2018 10:41

If you, your parents, or your cultural community have strong feelings about the hymen, you should not use the Mooncup at this stage in your life (you can read more about the Mooncup and the hymen here).

My mother had strong feelings - she told me tampons were only for 'women who were married or had had a baby'.

I would have thought girls would know from biology what a hymen was and make their own mind up. But then, biology lessons do not seem to be what they were...………….

merrymouse · 17/12/2018 10:43

KittiesInsane, unfortunately, no I don't think that is what they mean, given that so many of the people who spoke on Woman's Hour believe that sex is a spectrum/there are many sexes/sex is a social construct.